I know the door swings both ways, but it seems a strange that creatures as powerful as the Supernals and their Tainted brethern should be as vulnerable as they are. The fact that all it takes is a bunch of folks who can survive on the cosmic plane seems to do these folks a disservice.

Granted, getting out again alive was another thing altogether, but a bit of organization can solve that pretty quickly.

It has been about 5-6 years since I was on Achaea, but it seems to me attacking one of these guys should be like attacking the dragon Yud something or other. I could see a handful of level 80 people taking one out, but everyone else should be tossed aside with disgust over their impertience for thinking they can go up against an eternal being.

Unless they get that way after you rally 10000 supplicant to them or something, but still it seems they should start out being a little more awe inspiring.

uh.......sure

Although I don't really have any experience, being of the Seren, I do agree, (from what I've heard) that Supernals and Demon Lords need to be a little harder.

Lady Estarra just announced the supernals and demons will be a load harder to kill from now, keep up with the news!

Estarra's announce post was 3 hours after Baen's post.

Ah, sorry, didn't check on that.

Whoahwhoahwhoah. That is not just upgraded, that is godlike. Raziela simultaneously took out about 10 fairly strong Magnagorans, and then 5 more of the strongest several seconds later. Geez.

And Raziela is the weakest of all of them.

The supernals -should- be fairly godlike. It should -mean- something to kill a Supernal, it should take a -whole- lot of people, and even then, it shouldn't be a sure thing. In the last month, it's been like a lark. "Hey, let's kill a Supernal!" "Sure, I'm not busy!" And then they kill them all and go out for coffee. These are demigods, beings far above and beyond mortal power. We killed a Demon lord in about 12 seconds, and I was just as annoyed about that. If it had slaughtered each and every one of us, I wouldn't have said "too strong", I'd have said "It's a freaking -demon lord-, who didn't see this coming?"

In conclusion, kudos to the upgrade. Fantastic. Best thing I ever saw.

Far from Demigod, but nonetheless, a lot more powerful then mortals. And Baalphegar was the weakest Demon Lord/Supernal combined, that wasn't a great victory. But... the upgrade was needed.

Also keep in mind that even the strongest/highest level chars are still not really big. I mean, take the same group when they are level 80+ and things will look different, maybe not really for the supernal but the attacking group will have much higher chances to run away.

When I'll be level 80, I'll stay hell away from planes. Exp loss will be *crippling*.

Ah, I love Conglutination! But the planes make this realm far more fascinating my opinion. Powerful immortal beings on the Ethereal and Cosmic planes, unique worlds on the Earth and Water planes, and the sheer, raw chaotic energy of the Astral plane. It -feels- like we have different worlds, and it's a challenge when people try attacking the ones we draw our power from.