I thought long before posting this, but for lack of better jugement decided to go ahead anyways.I'm getting more than annoyed with the fact that in game or not all that we seem to hear is that Celest just plain sucks .. or the player that forms it does in any case,I for myself am one of those sucky pk'ers , never had much to do with pking in previous games and very little time played in any IRE games, I decided to do so for a change and in my innocent mind thought it would be fun to do so for a change... But I soon realised that not only do people put you down for not being the elite fighter it's getting to be just ridiculously absurde how the same comments are made over and over. I ask you this how many can call themselves Elite fighters, and to those I ask could you go back and recall on your first months as a pker and tell me how well you did.. I can take being insulted IC, even tho I think it lacks any form of honour it is not my place to juge it, but when it comes out plastered all over the boards i beleive it's pushing it a little, I'm not sure if you all be so willing to do so if lets say the cards would of been turned the other way and for some reasons Daevos and just some of the Elite pkers had chosen Celest from the start.My point being yes we loose and yes again we are disorganised and I'm sure this will be resolved in time, I can well take being killed and in all case deserve it for my clumsiness in battle,but I also like to to think I can log off and had a good laugh and enjoyed myself, and do the same when I read these boards.In hopes that new players do not get discourage as if I were a first time mud player I'm not sure how much I would take before either going all together or making a serious switch of place to live... but in any case was this not meant for enjoyment rather than showing who's the badest of them all ?
flame away !

Alot of things went wrong for Celest when open beta soon began, Magnagora was more military capable while celest was full of novices. even now we only have around 10 people who are good and can't even fight someone like daevos or valek on even ground because of their skills. Even those who think guards will protect novices in celest are wrong because the fact how weak the guards are and how they are slaughtered day in and day right. I agree with you Carline but that is the choice we made, we picked celest and a number have already left and more will come to soon

Well, I don't mind being raided and dying all the time, but some people apparently do, since more and more celestians are leaving for serenwilde or magnagora... and the problem is: They have no place to be safe, the city defences we spent so much power, gold and comms on are so ineffective the Ur'Guard can just waltz in and kill every guard, defender and newbie they want, I saw them run into statue after statue after statue while the guards were spam-beating on them like crazy, without effect , they just kept waltzing.

Death is temporary, and of no consequence unless you love your EXP so much that it hurts to lose any. If it does hurt that way PK is not for you since its impossible to win them all.

This cycle of somewhat predictable outcomes is also temporary and normal considering Celest is at the early stages in many of its growth curves.

Just keep in mind, they worked for those levels, their PK skill, their group organization and tactics. With similar time spent in Celest, the outcome will be similar.

In regards to the comments, just ignore them and make a list of all the people who rubbed your face in it for later.

it seems logical to me. The forces of evil are large and vast and powerful, the forces of good are few and weak. i think a key for celest icly is to sway the neutral serenwilde to your side (much liek the battle of helmsdeep in LOTR2). then, if the other cities come, i;d go for hallifax's military aid, and gaudich,too.

Truthfully I doubt that though it seems like an alliance would be the only thing to actually destroy mag but thats my opinion but anyways! Like I said, it will be a long tough battle for celest and many more people will leave

I should add.. I did peharps not make it very clear,English not being my force...this was not meant as a whinning post, but a simple reminder that even if this is a competitive game,some comments sometimes are best left unsaid.

wasn't whining but my apologizes just the same

grr Shiro ..I meant I did not mean it to be whinny !!!! *smiles

Maybe instead of bitching about how abused your city is you should look at the source of the problem and attempt to fix it yourselves.

It's no wonder that Celest is going so downhill with the negativity I keep hearing from people over there, make an effort to solve the problems yourself, become more positive. Magnagorans aren't overpowered so don't give me that crap, Paladins actually have better skills than the Ur'guard now that Lichdom is downgraded and the other two guilds just need a few more good fighters. You complain about how much of a tank Daevos is, he has exactly the same skills as a Paladin except Necromancy instead of Sacraments, which gives him.... putrefaction to reduce damage.

Magnagora is so successful because we've worked damn hard to get where we are, I don't see much from Celest. Maybe you could have killed our Demon Lords if you'd grouped together and -planned it out-, shame that we thought of it first.

Don't you hate it when Kaervas is right sometimes *Ducks* I agree that it isn't all about the skills, but you wouldn't understand unless your a celestian Kaervas anyways I forgot..

You know you love me really

you are cool sometimes.. but maybe... nah!! muhaha *ducks*

Sorry if I say something already said, but I only skimmed over all of this.

When Visaeris regularly attacked serenwilde (and even before I got to know him), I stayed out of the fighting. I didn't fight with anyone, and I wasn't attacked back. I stayed low, and it has made a world of difference. I die occasionally, to a random hard mob, or duel of some sort.

People complain about PK, but it's like my teacher used to say, "They cannot chase you if you do not run." I stood still, and they went away.

As for the people who have or will leave Celest, I wish them luck, if many more leave, such is life...


but

city choice for me was a serious matter of principle, and it will take a lot more than a few beatings or personality conflicts to move me off them. I hope and suspect the majority of my citymates feel the same. Once someone leaves they are no longer relevant to the cause.

I think people have to be less manipulated by simple political mind tricks...

Call your opponenant weak enough times and they will believe it.

Edit: its sad and dispicable though when people use these forums to do it.

Its sad that he can get away with this dribble. I have worked my ass off for my city and you know what there isn't a world of difference I can do by myself or anyone for that matter. I have almost given up to changing our leaders it just isn't worth another 100 posts of drama.

Honestly just live a day in my shoes and you will come to realize how good you have it. I don't even enjoy logging in most of the time. Too much stress and too little time to collect my thoughts. I am always torn going one direction while trying to go another. Its just a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Wait I have to broaden the spectrum more since your ego is so suffocating. The fact since day one there has been war going on and due to a great skill difference we were massacred many times over due to a lack of definite power and skills.

Visaeris I am sure trained a lot of people how to fight unfortunately we didn't have such a force in the beginning of our city which is too bad. Because of Visaeris I believe you are all where you are because of what he did previously.

The reason Magnagora has such large combatants in terms of health you dolt is because they have the time to spend hunting and increasing their characters while most of us here in Celest die to four hits of a bloody mace. You know I could be ranked rather high myself you ass but if I wasn't spending so much time defending our assests, dying, and then regenning the experience again to fight on par. I have more to brag than you will ever have in game. So suck it you spoiled child.

Put it on my love tab.

No spin here, Magnagora is simply stronger than Celest right now. I think most of the good fighters from other IRE games went there, and those who aren't good fighters are being taught to be good fighters by those who are. Celest, and I love the city in RP terms, but OOC need organization. First of all, we don't have to fight all the time. We're not going to win that war right now, we can do other things instead. Preach, quests, etc. That said, I love this game, no matter how many times I die. In achaea I am pretty high level and worry a lot about my xp, which, although my own fault, distracts from my RP environment sometimes. In lusternia the RP is great so far and has me hooked. I'd like to see celest do a few thing differently...and I'll save those for city post, but we could actually work on making peace with magnagora. A Ghandi type movement...or we could be more zealous. Either way, it's a new world, I don't think xp really matters so much at this point in the history of Lusternia. I'll let those crazy magnagorians kill me. When they do...I can't help but smile to myself and think, man, I really, really love this game. Eventually I might get bitter and xp and power crazy, but for right now I'm just enjoying the RP environment.

hey, take it from me, if celest just stuck it's nose to the grind stone, they'd have some helluva good tanks. They'd really whoop arse. All you guys need, is a bit more in numbers, a look over your skills, a bit of planning, and a lot of hard work, and the forces of darkness will eventually...............how shalle we say this....the shadows will fall (no reference to the band, shadows fall) Maybe not entirely retreat for good, but they'll leave you alone for a bit while they plan thier next attack. a good point for you to devise a defensive tactic, with a possible counter attack. I'm jus tpointing out the obvious now, ill shut up.

Congratulations, Qaletaqa.

In the course of rebutting Kaervas' points, you affirmed them all.

Well done.