At 10 size, a 2.1 second writhe recovery, 300 damage, little bleeding to Thorgal... at the cost of 8 power. Envoy's hearing about this one.

Crucify has just been bloody downgraded:

2900h, 2965m, 10p ex---/11:01:18.060/
Imadis begins to chant in a deep and baleful voice, and an iron cross rises up
from the ground before you. Vicious spikes slam into your flesh and nail you to
the cross. You scream in pain and agony as blood is splattered in all
directions.
2540h, 2965m, 10p exp---/11:01:20.040/
You begin to writhe furiously to escape from the iron cross.
2540h, 2965m, 10p ep---/11:01:20.200/
+-------------------+

+-------------------+
2540h, 2965m, 10p exp---/11:01:21.140/
With an heroic effort you manage to writhe yourself free from that which
impaled you.
2540h, 2965m, 10p ex---/11:01:22.170/

Less than 400 damage and no bleeding.

Lessee, sacrifice requires them to be crucified AND have all 4 limbs broken...crucify costs 8 power, sacrifice costs 3 power, writhing time on crucify is 2.1 second, while the eq on crucify is near 4 seconds...downgrades, downgrades, downgrades

Someone tell me why the hell we're getting a stream of constant downgrades here? Crappy skills are getting made useless while the few decent skills are getting made crappy, necromancy now has nothing left but putrefaction, downgrade that too while you're at it!

Well, I have to agree, crucify is without a doubt one of our weakest skills. And the fact that it is a high level skill hurts too. Also since it is linked to Sacrifice, it makes that skill useless too. Though it is slightly better than it was at first. And now acts a anorexia affliction as well as a underpowered web with a few side benefits, but pinleg is vastly superior, and without the power cost.

No, it was always like that. (Writhe time depends on your target's size.) Indeed, it was mildly upgraded several weeks ago by making you unable to eat by virtue of your hands being nailed down and unable to reach your mouth. Thus overall it is better than what it was originally.

It didn't seem that great when Kaervas used it on me. (It still got me, but there you go.) Nihilists can't pinleg though, remember. It could probably use a bit of a boost as far as damage goes.

It doesnt need more damage, it needs to be harder to get out of

Here's a log from another point of view:

You begin to chant the words of vile darkness, and an iron cross rises up from
the ground before Imadis. Vicious spikes slam into his flesh and nail him to
the cross. He screams in pain and agony as blood is splattered in all
directions.
2900h, 2940m, 2p x---/16:27:26.620/
With a look of agony on his face, Imadis manages to writhe himself free of that
which impaled him.
2900h, 2940m, 2p x---/16:27:28.670/
Imadis takes a drink from a ruby vial.
2900h, 2940m, 2p x---/16:27:31.050/
+-------------------+

+-------------------+
2900h, 2940m, 2p ex---/16:27:33.370/

...

2900h, 2940m, 7p ex
Shadow Imadis Darken says, "414 damage."
2900h, 2940m, 7p ex
Shadow Imadis Darken says, "No bleeding."
2900h, 2940m, 8p ex

Time to writhe out: 2 seconds
Time to regain eq: 7 seconds

I think the timing displayed speaks for itself.

If nothing else, Crucifixion is great for RP. Not only does it hurt, it ties you down and makes you extremely vulnerable. Theoretically, people can walk by and do whatever the heck they want to when you're like that. I'd want to get out of it fast, too.

Rather than raising writhing time, for RP purposes, if it must be upgraded, I'd recommend lowering balance time a bit for the crucifier, and possibly raising writhing time a little if you must. I guess that it might be pretty tough to get out of that kind of a situation, but at the same time, you'd be really really really wanting out fast.

If you want a pking use for it, look at Brona. He uses it all the time to kill people a tenth his might that don't know any better.

Well If you look at people who were actually cruicified, it wasn't that easy to writhe out of....
I think that it should have a high writhe time.

It sounds to me (albeit, I don't know the skill very well)

That Crucify isn't something you do without set up. Perhaps a web enchantment or some hangedman before you do it. Perhaps give them some afflictions before you try to crucify them.


Sure it's easy to get out of when you're not fighting, but you shouldn't be trying to crucify them as your first move.

Crucify does 15% of the target's max health, costs 8 power, has 7 second equilibrium recovery, and it takes 2 seconds to writhe free from...how is that not crappy? You're actually hurting yourself with it, cause they get 5 seconds free shot at you.

Come on. You're NAILED to a bloody cross; NAILS are driven into your wrists and your ankles. I'd think it'd take far more than 2-5 seconds to WRITHE out of something like that. It was considered one of, if not the most, brutal and painful ways of execution; wouldn't really have worked if the victim could've just writhed off in the blink of an eye.

Actually, I never use crucify. It's worthless. I use torture.

all I know is that all these "crappy" skills, completely destroy tae'daes.
Once I'm stunned, or offbalance I'm dead.. simple as that.
Knockdown is just evil

As far as I know crucify hasn't been downgraded. What have you been putting in your pipes?

2 seconds on one of the fastest writhing races, don't forget. Anyway, it is a quite nice skill to use in team (read: almost all) fights against large races. Have someone enlarge an Igasho and crucify them - they'll be at the very least out of the fight and unable to cure anything for long enough for your partners to kill them. Just because a skill isn't the greatest when used with no setup in a 1v1 fight doesn't mean that it is crap. 8 power is pretty cheap for being able to eliminate a big, strong fighter.

3 seconds (that's +15 size writhing time if you're lucky) generally isn't enough to kill an igasho even with a team. You might as well have a newbie web him, that doesn't cost power and is more effective, since it can be done more often than once every 7 seconds.

Religious crucifixion was a little different. They also bound the person with ropes. If they didn't, the ligaments and joins in the wrists/hands would give out before death, the person would fall off, tearing themselves to shreds, aswell as breaking ankles, I believe.
And a nail in the crucifying sense is more of a slender iron spike with a lump on one end. To yank your arm off it, would be simpler than yanking it off a modern nail with a wide, flat head. But I agree, it should take a little longer. Maybe have it like, four or so individual 1.5 second writhes? Or just two - Arms and the big nail through both feet?

EDIT: Looking at that... And since, if they writhe off a cross, it's highly likely they'll get their arms free first, and fall forward... give it a chance of snapping both legs? Or snapping a random limb/limbs? Maybe just make it do heavy wound damage to certain bodyparts.

Note, it was 2.1 second writhing time on a diminished Viscanti, 2.25 second on a 13 size Viscanti.

And, Crucifixion, as far as I can tell, takes precedence over hangman or webbing writhing (although not transfix), I'd have to check my 4 writhe logs.

You can't writhe free from crucify while off balance, unlike web. So, with a creative use of ectoplasm and scabies or bonecrusher knockdown, I don't see the problem. Also considering it is possible for an Ur'Guard aslaran bonecrusher to keep someone permanently off balance with ectoplasm... Well I won't get into that.

Edit: Don't forget the contagion gives scabies too.