The Gods have so kindly posted the massive files of the realm history for us to read, and enjoy in most cases. My question to all of you is, do you consider that when you RP with your leadership positions or characters in general. Obviously we do in the sense that our cities have their identities defined there, and various entities such as Crow are also laid out in that writing. Beyond that though, how much does it go into your thinking?

Here are some examples that I have noticed:

1. The Serenwildes Non-Alliance Alliance with Celest - The History file shows that the Moon Priestess said "We will never trust cities again", yet you have the Serenwilde pretty much allied with the one perhaps most responsible for the taint.

2. Magnagora and Crow - Magnagora seems to be a big supporter of the dead Emperor and some of them seem to like/support the Glomdoring. Looking at the history, you will see that Rowena Nightshade actually ran off and left the old Emperor to his fate which was ultimately his death.

I would suggest you consider it a guideline rather than gospel.

And an alliance doesn't imply trust.

It was also 500 years ago. Magnagora's wasn't there then, and now if you look at it, Mag and Glom have similar interests.

Magnagora was there then.

I think he might have meant, "Magnagora's taint."

Also, we're only allying with Celest because we need it to survive.
And the Magnagora/Crow issue is iffy. In the past Rowena betrayed the Emperor Ladantine, but after all, they're both Tainted, and both want the Taint to spread. How that goes is up in the air, really. There's no disregarding of the histories going on there.

Just a hint, but Magnagora has no real care about the Glomdoring other than a tool for conquest

That wasn't the only point of mentioning it, its more the double sided play I see the Serenwilde pulling. Gregori posts publically about how this isn't an alliance, we just help each other a lot. You can't do anything against Celest without Serens showing up and the reciprical is also true. You may not trust them, true, but it is an alliance as can be verified by the 30 or so posts were even Serens say "our alliance" or "allies".

I also saw the Seren as the beacon of the old world as far as purity, they seek to keep their forest pure of taint and the problems of cities. Can't really say they can't defend themselves these days, as the only time they were ever in trouble was when Visaeris capatilized on his advantage of people not knowing how to heal themselves. Many do now and the Serenwilde usually has massive number advantages over everyone else.

I agree not to use it as a Gospel, but what is the line between that and tossing it out altogether?

(note: I'm just prompting discussion, IC, my character really could care less as long as I can bash and whatnot)

The High Priestess of the Moon, Farella Lunseer was fanatical. She saw fae tortured before her very eyes because people wouldn't listen to the Spirits. Elder Gods weren't around, only the Spirits and the Supernals/Emanations. Not even the Vernals were around anymore.


Fast forward two centuries.


You've different Priests, Emanations are now Demon Lords, the Taint is backed by an entire City.

Merloch's position is a little more lenient on cities, it's roleplayed out. (I have a four page indepth history about it actually.)

He also doesn't blame New Celest for the mistakes of Old Celest. New Celest has willingly listened to advice from the Spirits. They acknowledge them as more than ficticious banter. Merloch has even had to seek out the Supernals for guidance.

Merloch doesn't support what Farella did, he acknowledges it, but he doesn't support it. He hates Magnagora and the Taint more than he could ever hate Celest.

Wow, nice Merloch!

I am impressed

Something that's been getting on my nerves:

Saying Celest is more responsible for the Taint than Magnagora is pretty inaccurate. It's only true if you go by the name of the city and -nothing- else.

The -truth- is that the majority of the people 'responsible for the Taint' ended up -tainted-. That is to say, they ended up being Viscanti and such, the original backbone of Magnagora. And most of the -other- people responsible died when Celest exploded. The whole mission was launched from Magnagora's nexus. The team that went was by no means entirely from the city of Celest. I would be willing to wager quite a lot of money that you'd find more ancestors of folks historically deemed 'responsible' for the Taint in Magnagora than in Celest.

Not to say it's not a valid roleplay to blame us, it's just logically, and OOC, a bit of a weak link. The name 'Celest' seems to be a source of more prejudice than the actual responsibility for what happened is. Although I'm most certainly biased, I would like to see the occasional person who realized that it's probably a better idea to judge us by the fact that we're giving our lives to battle the Taint -now- than by the fact that a hundred years ago some people who are no longer affiliated with us in any way and who's descendants probably live elsewhere inadvertently released some Taint.

Of course, that isn't to say I'd like all the people who blame us to go away, that makes it interesting.

History is a great guideline to get a -general- stance from, but there are always going to be different interpretations of it, and people who are just, simply, a bit different.

Everyone but the forests is responsible for the Taint; they all supported the Cosmic Hope Expedition.

And seeing as how Rowena and the others flew to the Emperor's aid as he attemped to be raised as a Vernal God, i'd say the Glomdoring and Magnagora would be on fairly good terms.

And then ran away when it suited them...

Rowena and Brennan may have represented - and still do represent - Glomdoring, but I don't think you can say the Emperor was or is a representation of Magnagora. More like the emissary of the Taint.

Actually, Rowena and Brennan were more emissaries of the Taint than the Emperor during the time of the Taint. The Emperor was more of a rogue (compared to the other Tainted) and had an agenda of his own.

I love Ladantine. I should so get unenemied to him, then go give 'em a hug.

The fact that people find anybody responcible I think it just silly.

People were neglegant, its not as if they were told that doing this project was going to release some vile smoke with changing properties, and THEN they said.. yes lets go do it!

accidents happen.

However, I think its pretty obvious that the general attitude and view of City leaders and those who want to make empires is what brought this to happen. If the empire was not in a constant search for more power and such I doubt they would have tried this without knowing all the risks.

and in that regard, that would be why Celest is just as Bad as Magnagora, except maybe even worse because they did not see the error of their ways and change their view of civilization.