I LOVE YOU ESTARRA!

I really like the new influencing system, but if anyone else has ideas/suggestions, cough them up here.

When I first heard about this debate system, my heart leapt. I imagined myself debating my opponent in front of spectators, with an invisible admin watching, who would then decide who won the debate and adjust village influence accordingly. Then I realized that it's just a simple game that isn't likely to offer any real mental stimulation or entertainment.

Any chance we can get something set up for real debating?

I would think the intelligence score should factor in as well, as the Magnagora crew isn't pleased as the best races for our archetypes aren't high in charisma, while those for others are. Considering that we don't have a palpable offensive edge this seems unfair.

hehe, wow, seems Magnagorians think EVERY change is made to harm them. I love how simple some of you can be.

This is not good; the Serenwilders have an obvious advantage, as far as I can tell.

Most of the 'Serenwilde races' have very high charisma. Faelings, Tae'dae, Elfen to some extent... Viscanti, which almost all of Magnagora consists of, have 10. Faeling get 16, Tae'dae and Elven get 15. Even Merian get 14.

Plus the Serenwilde gets the Sun totem, which is a small help. And the potion blockade means Magnagora will have a hell of a time getting enough Bromide.

Crusade isn't bad, as it depends solely on the combat skill of those involved, meaning it is perfectly balanced.

Unless Laetitia can be cast on others while they debate... if that can be done, Serenwilde is screwed and it is still unbalanced.

They aren't made for that specific purpose, but, they do.

Okay, what the hell did I miss? *logs on to see if there is a new announce*

I may be new to the game, but Serenwilde has an obvious advantage in charisma and they don't seem to have any disadvantage in combat. Can you actually respond to my point instead of just insulting me? I don't even know of any previous changes to the system. Thanks.

laetitia can be cast on others, and seeing as how no guild in Serenwilde can do such, their only advatage is the Charisma. Yet again this just shows that even before ANY testing is done on a new skill people will ASSUME that it hurts them or sucks. This will make Influencing much more fun for those who can't do mindless PK, sorry if some of you are upset you may just have to learn a new tactic.

Additionally, crusade doesn't say it affects killing villagers, so I don't see why Guido is bringing it up along with combat skill.

The charisma gap is a pretty simple concept, but if you really don't want to discuss it then I'll just make a mental note to ignore your posts from now on as you obviously aren't going to be objective.

Edit: Never mind, I see how crusade is affected by combat now.

Looks to be a great concept so far, though I haven't really tested it.

I -would- really like a way to see what mindset you're currently using though.
Either with MINDSET with no argument, or in DEFS, or both.

Once you engage in a debate, you may only debate that
one person and no one can come to your assistance.

What that means is...no Laetitia.

Read a little closer next time.

I just tested it. Laetitia works, so Serenwilde is screwed, unless it is a bug.

Also: Your ego takes such tiny hits that the battles will never end. I was losing 100 at a time. Maybe he just had the skills very low, but I am at inept myself.

You seem to also forget that your level, clothing, and most important, influence skill level, which in itself has more of an inpact. So if you need to complain about charisma which only has a certain degree of impact below that of Influence skill level, you should explain the whole situation from all angles...take it how you like, I am sure this was NOT made to screw Magnagora, only to enhance the gameplay for others in the realm.

On that more, maybe I should whine about more Magnagorians having higher level influencers and those with higher levels in the skillset itself, considering my whineing would be more justified.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong here or not taking something into account, but the paper scissors rock theory that AB INFLUENCE DEBATING gives isn't quite right.
With one of the mindsets, 2 types of debate do anything, and with another of the mindsets, all debates do damage.
I won't go into which exactly in case it is part of the system and I'm just overlooking something.
But anyone else find that?

EDIT: Come to think of it, the paper scissors rock analogy is terribly wrong. But you know what I mean.

Not only that, but the person I was testing it kept getting messages that he won the debate even when I still had a lot of ego left. Also, whenever it said he 'won' he lost 800-900 ego.

That makes no sense at all, people doing debate will both be trans influence a fair amount of the time, especially since this has gone in, which puts them on even grounds besides the charisma score.



Unless Serenwilders are supposed to be naked all the time. Au natural?

If laetitia works, I retract my statement, but things should be worded differently.

Lets look at the last announce post, 152, shall we.

How does "debate" damage work? If the result is neutral, you still do
some mild damage to the target for not being able to refute you. If your
target is weak to your attack, your debating strength goes up in
addition to doing heavy damage. If your target is immune to your attack,
you not only take damage for being refuted, your target's debating
strength also goes up. As your debating strength rises, you will find
yourself doing more debating damage. Thus landing victories and refuting
your opponent will make you more powerful in the long term.

Oh look, it says as you win, you do MORE damage. So that would mean even if someone want chanting or something else to raise the debaters ego, the attack strength will get so high that a hit could do, say, 3k ego damage. Chanting and other things like that would only draw out a battle, not win it.

heh, I'm sorry Jello, I must have forgotten that EVERYONE just happens to be trans influence, have royalty clothing and that ONLY charisma seperates them. Looks like I was wrong, wow, I feel stupid

Hmm...why would they use the best influencers again? Why not have the best influencers working on the villagers, while the others debate the other side to stop them?