I’ve been meaning to put out this idea for some time so here goes: Has anyone (except Visaeris who somewhat indirectly indicated such) considered that Glomdoring, if raised to a Commune, would have serious negative issues against both Magnagora and Serenwilde? I realize it is a bit easier to see that Serenwilde would be a foe but in the end, Glomdoring would be a Commune. I would go so far to say that Glomdoring would seek to spread its tainted yet “natural” self, which would heavily conflict with the expansion of the Grand Empire of Magnagora. As Visaeris once suggested, Glomdoring would be a Commune where tainted nature and a tainted natural way of life would be given as much esteem as the taint itself. If Glomdoring pops up and bows down or forms some ironclad alliance with Magnagora, it is completely failing to be a Commune which is like the whole point... tainted Commune.

Oddly enough, I actually agree with that, Narsrim. I don't expect to see an actual alliance between any commune and any city, disregarding current events. What I do expect, though, is for Celest to crusade against Glomdoring because it is Tainted, and for Serenwilde to attack it because it threatens the White Hart.

Unless rampant idiocy or lively role-play strikes, you can fairly guarantee at least neutrality between Magnagora and Glomdoring, perhaps even mutual understanding. Even were that not the case, it would still benefit the Empire in that any threat to the Taint would not be born by our shoulders alone.

Anyone ever notice the words scrawled across the walls in the Glomdoring, "The Gloriana will never die!" or does everyone just miss that? There's still hope.

There's no way glomdoring will ever be able to raise without Magnagora's help, so you bet your ass we'll have some sort of alliance.

The Divinities can choose however they wish to play it out at any time. They could set it up to be raised by a few individuals, and have some event that happens that totally pisses them off at Magnagora. It could happen, they will decide, not you.

Considering we'll likely have Ackleberry at some point, it would be bad for the realm to have solidarity among all three communes. It might be interesting to see a Gloriana raised that still contained some Taint, but I think one side would eventually win within it, and you would have either three friendly communes or Glomdoring.

From an OOC perspective, it would be incredible to see anything other than the Glomdoring be raised from that forest.

Sure Tuek, just like the divine decided Serenwilde will never be friendly with Celest, like how Celest killed Fae, that kind of event to piss them off hmm? Is your memory that short or are you just too ignorant to see both sides of a coin?

He's right in that regard, though, Thorgal. The difference is that there is no one actually in Glomdoring to make ridiculous RP choices, at the moment. Whatever people do to work towards or against it, the manner of how it ends will still be up to the Divine.

It will turn out just the same way Celest and Serenwilde turned out.

Even when glomdoring would start out hating all cities, they will get crushed by Serenwilde without our help, seems pretty simple.

Tuek is still pissed at New Celest, and still despises them as he always has. I moreso OOCly irritated, that we have been forced into a polarizing war, and forced into an alliance we do not want. Stupid decisions and choices by Magnagora's leadership led to the war.

And here I thought we had been doing such a good job being rational and objective on this thread...

EDIT: Mela beat me to it. Tuek, you're amazing, sometimes your replies are mature and objective, and sometimes they're as childish and illogical as it can get.

That is what I'm referring to. I'm under the impression the war was started, because initially Magnagora did not listen to what their patrons desired. What was the deal with Daevos kicking out followers of Fain?

Correct me if I'm wrong, this is just what I have heard, and is consequently what I meant by stupid decisions, there is nothing unobjective about it.

No, our patrons wanted us into a struggle with Serenwilde, why do you think we suddenly changed from friendly to hostile over a single night's time...we even GAVE you villages... Not that I don't like it, my only peeve is alchemy, which I still don't understand why you have a monopoly on it.

From an OOC perspective, I believe this conflict was to take some heat off of Celest.

And Glomdoring not having even a remote alliance with Magnagora would totally screw it over. Serenwilde? Wants your destruction. Celest? You're tainted, die. Magnagora?

Merloch has several views on the Glomdoring/Gloriana.


Pity - He pities the people that died there during the Taint.


Hatred - He hates Brennan and Rowena for what they've done.


Concern - He worries for the Great Spirits, both Serenwilde and Gloriana. Mother Night and Brother Raven were once noble Spirits , now entrenched with Taint.



It'll be interesting when it opens.

I imagine Rowena and Brennan would be pushing the Glomdoring be much in the same direction as I saw the Seren. They'll take help, but if there's any sort of risk for them, they most likely won't help. That's changing for them, though, from what I've heard.

And, if the Glorianna returned, it would not be the Glorianna of old, for certain. It would quite probably hold the same dark, mysterious appearance it once had, but it may very well view the Taint as a thing of change, not of pure evil. They may not necessarily agree with every aspect of the Demon Lords, but that does not mean they will not be aided/aide Magnagora in a fight against the Seren. I imagine Rowena and Brennan and the Council would remain tainted anyway, we've never seen anything purged of the Taint without dieing, and the only serious purgings done where to the Demon Lords, which were cleansed and ressurected, and then they're simply corporeal manifestations of the Light, and thus the sell is Tainted, however the soul remains what it always has been, thus the simple ressurection of Tainted Supernals. Although Gorgulu presents an interesting case, given he HAS no soul, yet can still be cleansed, although I imagine then the essence is purified, and then the Light re-entering His body, thus once again becoming Gorgaliel...

But such is mere speculation! The sum of my beliefs:

Glorianna or Glomdoring, there will be Taint. It has infused itself into the plantlife itself, the soil, the air. It is as the Soulless are, so infused into it's being that by removing it you destroy it. Given that the Taint is simply the touch of Kethuru, such would not surprise me.

Except for the demons who made a pact with a Nilhilst those in Nil can be purged by a supernal (won't name who) I think something like that can apply to tainted beings like Rowena but i'm unsure

The demons/angels should be viewed in the same light as the Supernals. They are physical manifestations of the Light. they are nothing more than corporeal shells formed of essence (Light or Dark).

And, after repeated scouring of histories and what little we really have, there is more to suggest that it is impossible to untaint something that is not immortal (IE Fae, Angel, Demon) than possible. Isune had mentioned in a few threads of doing an RP between a couple celestians and a captured Mag in an attempt to remove the Taint without killing the subject.

I stand by my Soulless/Weave analogy.