There needs to be a plane on the same level as the ethereal, not owned or controlled by anyone, that gates from the prime could be made to instead of ethereal, for the following reasons:

1) PK is supposed to be focused off plane. Thing is, where? Water and Earth are pretty specific to be a battleground, Celestia, Nil and Ethereal are all owned by one of the groups, and Astral you've got more pressing concerns than killing each other. A neutral plane would give some place for this fictional off plane PK to take place.

2) Gateweaving is largely a myth. It's possible to make gates, sure, but since the only place you can make them to is owned by the Serenwilde, they completely control the supply. Any argument that they don't own the Ethereal is largely semantics, they own it and you know it. So much potential shouldn't be limited to just the one group.

3) Tying in to number 2, Warriors get hosed. If you're enemied to the Serenwilde, kiss planar travel good bye. Following someone is an option, except that if you're going to bash, and you're following someone, there's really no reason for them not to leave you behind and bash on their own. Not to mention it's terribly annoying and demeaning grovelling to be let on and off the planes.

4) Generic bashing. Toss on some bashing that everyone's allowed to kill. Nothing sentient, nothing that hurts one side or another, just plain, straightforward killing things. As is, there's barely anything that isn't part of a quest, or loyal to something, or RP wise off limits to a bunch of people. Sorely needed.

So, yes, do this. Assuming this idea is met with non-hatred, I'll come up with a plane or something, or leave that to you people, but seriously, do this please.

Hmm, where to start. First people take warriors up to astral all the time...why, it helps thier city as a whole. Well atleast thats how Mag works, we help each other, not fight each other.

Gods have said time an again, there will be NO areas intended only for bashing, they are terrible for RP.

Gates can be made from any places, I've made some from astral to celestia before when I raided it alot. They just have to be one step away.

You know, there's always Glomdoring. It's not being distorted daily now. (Only during raids etc., and then sparingly.)

You say it's not viable to PK on planes owned by places, e.g Nil, Celestia, Ethereal. What do you think plane PK is for - just for the hell of it? People PK to defend/raid planes belonging to their enemy, it's not just,

"Lol lets go 2 nootral plane + fite."

It would be nice for Gateweaving to actually be useful. I liked being able to run to Celest or Bob using Ethereal to cut the trip down to a 1/3 of the time. ICly, I see why we unravel them all, but it really kills convenience.

I've heard them say this repeatedly, and I completely understand the sentiment. There are actually places where it seems that the mobs are only for bashing. This could be untrue, as I'm not aware of all quests and the mobs involved in them, but what about Astral, for example?

Yeah. I actually liked the gates, for example the one over Celest. Maybe we could get them to put one there again since the Celestians defend us so much...?

Oh, and I agree with that sentiment too. Which is why I really hope something interesting gets added to the elements. (Essence isn't good enough since it doesn't really mean anything.)

The astral plane is there because it's a way for players to get power, especially rogues. The monsters there are to make it so that you can't just go get all the power you want unless you're powerful yourself.

There is a lot of RP behind astral, its just more esoteric and stuff.

Also, yeah, it would be nice if Warriors were able to get to other planes on their own when they trans planar... And when I got gates I was like cool, finally there will be networks and stuff... but no.. no gates anywhere...

We put one up again, they took it down.

Sensing a lot of needless hostility here about some points I raised.

For the PK: With guards, angel and demon exploding, and the home element advantages, there's nowhere in the planes for a fair fight. I'm not saying just PKing there for the hell of it, but it might be nice, if there's going to be a massive clash of armies, for it to be on fair ground for both sides, with worrying about avenger. Put something on the plane for us to fight over.

The bashing: Alright, kill the bashing if you must, but I want to see some evil fortress that Celest and Serenwilde are required to slaughter in order to keep their street lamps running. There's nothing saying that an area where it's possible to kill things is strictly -for- bashing. There could be plenty of stuff to do there, but as it turns out you could also kill things.

Gates: Yes, gates are possible between the other sets of planes, but as proven by the fact that none exist (as far as I can tell, at the moment. Not many, at least.), they're probably not going to be a big aspect. Perhaps useful under specific circumstances, but temporary at best. Gates from prime ought to be the focus, and there ought to be all manner of strategy and planning involved and such. Running off the highway to a new gate only you know about, distorting it behind you, getting back to your city with documents that will prove vital to etc, that sort of thing. In short - gates are cool, and I want more.

Must say im really dissapointed in gateweave. I was really looking forward to being able to create gates to get me around as a paladin. But no, when i get it i found you need another person to do to create one. Defeats the purpose in the first place as the gate will be gone quick as i can say, Gateweave.

These posts will go on forever until a new skill or device is brought in for the warriors.

Having gates work like wormholes do in Achaea might solve the problem of them never being used. Of course, that could quickly make other skills useless, or just cause problems. I love how they work now, and it'd be great if Ethereal could function as a hub for a network of gates to travel with, but that clashes with Serenwilde RP, and is a huge security risk as well. Perhaps either vastly expand ethereal, or make another plane or two on the same level?

We already have paintings for wormholes, though they're limited, so same-plane things would be bad. MAYBE, though, you could add a skill to make a gate unremovable for a day/month something?

It'd be interesting if they made an off plane village or two, that was influenceable, I'd find that fun.

Anyhow, I do agree with Eldanien on some aspects. They say PK is supposed to occur off Prime. Well, it doesn't, at all. Except now due to an event, but I suppose that will be the only time it will occur, during events that focus around a plane.