More evidence of overpowered shieldstun.

by Thorgal

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Thorgal2005-02-04 14:24:16
2816h, 3836m, 10p exk-
"Ok!" Ceres exclaims.
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Commodore Ceres, of the Waters says, "Ready?"
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A malevolent demon stretches his wings to their full span, eyes glowing bright
red.
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You nod your head emphatically.
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Seres river passing through a desolate field.
A malevolent demon prowls here.
You see exits leading southwest and northwest.
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Slowly turning in a circle Ceres stretches out her hands. As she completes a
revolution, you notice bright flashes of light out of the corners of your eyes.
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Ceres takes a drink from a ruby vial.
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An enormous waves sweeps over you, knocking you to the ground.
You cough and splutter as you inhale some water.
A cloud of jellyfish swarm around you, attacking you with tiny stings.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are no longer stunned.
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The ghostly outline of a manna rune briefly appears in front of you before
slamming into your forehead.
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You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
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Ceres wiggles her fingers before you, and you sense a shadow passing overhead.
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A biting cold seeps deep into your skin.
Violent rain slams into your skin so hard that they hit you like hot needles.
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A feeling of comfortable warmth spreads over you.
2452h, 3836m, 10p exk-
Reality twists and turns in on itself, causing the sky to melt into a blur of
riotous colours and the ground to undulate and bubble.
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Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
------- disabled -------
An enormous waves sweeps over you, knocking you to the ground.
You cough and splutter as you inhale some water.
A cloud of jellyfish swarm around you, attacking you with tiny stings.
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
2228h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
The ghostly outline of a manna rune briefly appears in front of you before
slamming into your forehead.
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Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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A malevolent demon vomits forth a stream of noxious fluid that strikes you,
coating you with a thick green slime.
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A biting cold seeps deep into your skin.
Violent rain slams into your skin so hard that they hit you like hot needles.
Shadowy voices whisper dark warnings in your ear.
Blood trickles out of the corners of your eyes.
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You are no longer stunned.
1945h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are no longer stunned.
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An enormous waves sweeps over you, knocking you to the ground.
You cough and splutter as you inhale some water.
A cloud of jellyfish swarm around you, attacking you with tiny stings.
------- disabled -------
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
------- disabled -------
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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Reality twists and turns in on itself, causing the sky to melt into a blur of
riotous colours and the ground to undulate and bubble.
The ghostly outline of a manna rune briefly appears in front of you before
slamming into your forehead.
------- disabled -------
A malevolent demon grabs your shoulders and gutturally whispers into your mind.
Though the language is harsh and unknown, the words twist in your brain over
and over.
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
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Shadowy shapes rise up around you and form into familiar shapes.
Blood trickles out of the corners of your eyes.
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Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
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A biting cold seeps deep into your bones from the frigid water, making your
teeth chatter.
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Ooh look! A lovely lake. Perhaps you'll dive in!
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
1578h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
------- disabled -------
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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An enormous waves sweeps over you, knocking you to the ground.
You cough and splutter as you inhale some water.
A cloud of jellyfish swarm around you, attacking you with tiny stings.
------- disabled -------
Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
1214h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
The ghostly outline of a manna rune briefly appears in front of you before
slamming into your forehead.
1214h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
------- disabled -------
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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A malevolent demon grabs your shoulders and gutturally whispers into your mind.
Though the language is harsh and unknown, the words twist in your brain over
and over.
------- disabled -------
Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
Shadows flicker before you, forming strange and weird shapes.
Blood trickles out of the corners of your eyes.
------- disabled -------
You are stunned by a vision of divine astral beings.
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Reality twists and turns in on itself, causing the sky to melt into a blur of
riotous colours and the ground to undulate and bubble.
A biting cold seeps deep into your bones from the frigid water, giving you
massive hypothermia.
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
931h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
1071h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
An enormous waves sweeps over you, knocking you to the ground.
You cough and splutter as you inhale some water.
A cloud of jellyfish swarm around you, attacking you with tiny stings.
------- disabled -------
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
------- disabled -------
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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The ghostly outline of a manna rune briefly appears in front of you before
slamming into your forehead.
------- disabled -------
Ooh look! A lovely lake. Perhaps you'll dive in!
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
------- disabled -------
Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
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With a cold smile, a malevolent demon digs his claws into your flesh, sending a
bolt of excruciating pain through your body.
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Shadowy voices whisper dark warnings in your ear.
Blood trickles out of the corners of your eyes.
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
424h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
564h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
------- disabled -------
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
Reality twists and turns in on itself, causing the sky to melt into a blur of
riotous colours and the ground to undulate and bubble.
An enormous waves sweeps over you, knocking you to the ground.
You cough and splutter as you inhale some water.
A cloud of jellyfish swarm around you, attacking you with tiny stings.
------- disabled -------
You are stunned by a vision of divine astral beings.
------- disabled -------
In the still air you can hear the soft rippling of the waters and feel the
gentle tug of the current as it flows past you.
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Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
You are no longer stunned.
200h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
The ghostly outline of a manna rune briefly appears in front of you before
slamming into your forehead.
200h, 3836m, 10p exkp-
Ceres swings a shield bordered in moonstones with all her might, smashing it
into your head with a resounding ring.
------- disabled -------
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
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A malevolent demon grabs your shoulders and gutturally whispers into your mind.
Though the language is harsh and unknown, the words twist in your brain over
and over.
------- disabled -------
Terror descends upon you and your head swims - you must find shelter!
------- disabled -------
Shadow tendrils wrap around your limbs.
Blood trickles out of the corners of your eyes.
Your heart gives out and you dead drop to the ground.
You have been slain by Ceres.
The phantom shadows that plague your mind are lifted.
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You have been defeated and are thrown out of the Arena.
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Thorgal2005-02-04 14:25:49
The time between two stuns, is 0.1 second. I think this testlog speaks for itself...
Ceres2005-02-04 14:34:30
Not alot of combat in Lusternia is 1v1. That said, in this situation, shieldstun is overpowered.
Thorgal2005-02-04 14:53:45
Shieldstun is overpowered in any situation, including, and especially team combat...where one person can keep you stunlocked while the others swiftly kill you, without giving you a single chance of any kind to survive.
Geb2005-02-04 15:25:11
Shieldstun is perhaps a bit too much for classes with passive attacks to have. I think it may be best for shieldstun to be removed from the combat skillset, but leave shieldreposte. Shieldreposte is in no way overpowered, since it is essentially a passive ability that requires the person actually hitting shieldparry for it to have a chance of firing.
Terenas2005-02-04 15:47:18
QUOTE(Ceres @ Feb 4 2005, 02:34 PM)
Not alot of combat in Lusternia is 1v1. That said, in this situation, shieldstun is overpowered.
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It was only overpowered because an Aquamancer's demesne has a passive stunning ability as well. It is no way overpowered in the hands of a class without passive effects such as demesne and faes.
Ceres2005-02-04 15:50:12
You also had hallucinations, which was stunning, as well as jellies.

Edit: In your situation, I woulda put "drink allheale;fling hangedman at ceres" in my command bar and held down enter.
Thorgal2005-02-04 15:51:28
QUOTE(terenas @ Feb 4 2005, 05:47 PM)
It was only overpowered because an Aquamancer's demesne has a passive stunning ability as well. It is no way overpowered in the hands of a class without passive effects such as demesne and faes.
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I.e. only knights...and of course I had hallucinations, there wasn't a bloody way to cure it. And regarding web or hangedman, you can't do anything while prone, Ceres.
Terenas2005-02-04 15:57:18
QUOTE(Ceres @ Feb 4 2005, 03:50 PM)
You also had hallucinations, which was stunning, as well as jellies.

Edit: In your situation, I woulda put "drink allheale;fling hangedman at ceres" in my command bar and held down enter.
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I like that strategy, holding down enter to spam a command so you don't totally get owned? I'm pretty sure Lusternia's combat is a lot more complex than just merely people whoring shieldstun over and over again while their demesne/angels/demons/faes are beating the crap out of their opponents. But I might be wrong considering how everyone is using it nowaday.
Ceres2005-02-04 15:58:27
Who's everyone? Tuek, myself..
Terenas2005-02-04 16:08:04
QUOTE(Ceres @ Feb 4 2005, 03:58 PM)
Who's everyone? Tuek, myself..
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Amaru.

I have yet to seen any evidence of which a Knight have whored shieldstun to completely shut someone down and kill them, on the other hand, it -has- been showned that it completely cripples a target in yours, Amaru, or Tuek's hand. And please don't tell me it is because you guys are superior fighters, it doesn't take any skills to repeatedly shieldstun someone. Either you can't admit that shieldstun is too powerful in non-knight guilds or you don't want the ability changed so you can keep winning fights so easily.
Thorgal2005-02-04 16:12:04
For a knight, it's about impossible actually killing someone with shieldstun/slash...but for any other class it's out of place, like suggested before, either cut the stun length with 50% or take it out of the combat skillset and place it in knighthood, as an ability that gets activated once the bonecrusher or blademaster specialization reaches fabled/mythical, or have it highly ineffective at low skillrank, and increase effectiveness with higher skillrank of the knighthood specialization.
Amaru2005-02-04 21:28:09
QUOTE(terenas @ Feb 4 2005, 05:08 PM)
Amaru.

I have yet to seen any evidence of which a Knight have whored shieldstun to completely shut someone down and kill them, on the other hand, it -has- been showned that it completely cripples a target in yours, Amaru, or Tuek's hand. And please don't tell me it is because you guys are superior fighters, it doesn't take any skills to repeatedly shieldstun someone. Either you can't admit that shieldstun is too powerful in non-knight guilds or you don't want the ability changed so you can keep winning fights so easily.
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I did it once on you, to test its effectiveness, and because I had 0 power. Since the complaints, you won't have seen me using it. Don't be unfair.
Unknown2005-02-04 21:34:20
Pfft. I've used shieldstun all of two times. Once on Jelaludin. Once on Thorgal. To note, after killing Thorgal with it, he liched and ran away (Why of course, Lichdom sucks right?). I then dueled him a second time, not using shieldstun, and won. Then a third time not using shieldstun, and won. It is only a viable tactic as an Aslaran, which I'm certain is what Ceres was at that point in time too. I rarely use it, because I hate being an absolutely untanky Aslaran that can't take damage, and I die in seconds to teams. I prefer being dwarf or mugwump, in which case there is about a second and a half or so (which is a long time) of which they aren't stunned. Cutting stun length down by 50% would be to drastic. Why would a Warrior even bother using it then?
Unknown2005-02-04 22:52:10
The longer it takes them to fix this, the more people will start doing it.