Alright.. Been thinking about this for awhile.. Let me start with the basics



Espionage-Skill name

Awareness- Focusing your attention on yourself to know who is trying to discern your location

Blend- Fade into the background and out of sight, out of mind

Security- Pick open locks with a few simple tools, or jam a lock to prevent entering

Eavesdrop- Listen into discussions in the next room

Ambush- Hide and startle a unawares enemy

Stalk- Keep pace with a target, just out of reach

Palm- Pluck an item from the ground without anyone noticing

Conceal- Hide your items from prying eyes

Pose- Take on the name of another to slip by unnoticed

Plant- Place an item in their posessions without their knowledge

Loner- Indepentance is a rogues trademark, shun off groups and other affects

Disappear- Fade out to a random location in the same area

Intercept- Steal an enemies correspondence by watching the postal lines

Avoidance- Avoid those seeking to follow you

Betrayl- Inflict massive damage to an ally

Master- Move on to a Specialization


Basic ideas, tell me what you think. More detailed explainiation on request. Move coming later.

Alright... Up next for rogues, as with a tracking skill, loner, and such they can try and stay away from an opponent, so a long range skill could be well used by them. Anyone should be able to use a bow, but they would have to buy the bow and arrows from someone capable of making them. Also, those with the specialization would be much better with shooting them. Post your comments and lets see how it goes.


Archery-

Bowcraft- Use cut lumber to craft different types of bows

Fletching- Carve different forms of arrows from a multitude of materials

Sight- Training in sighting down the arrow and judge the wind gives an increase in accuracy.

Observe- Passively watch the trees and skies for targets

Full Draw- By pulling the bow sting back to the maxium, the potential damaging effects are greatly improved

Aim- By taking your time, holding your breathe until shooting, and gauging the range, the accuracy is greatly increased with a reduction in speed to fire.

Topple- Shoot an arrow into someone high on a tree or in the sky and knock them to the ground, or forcible dismount a target with a well placed shot.

Quick Notch- With steady training and practice, one can learn how to draw and place arrows with precision, lowering the time to prepare a shot

Call Shot- Target a specific spot on your target to puncture a limb or organ

Duel- Place two arrows on the bowstring and fire both at the same time

Cripple- Fire an arrow at the joints of a target, breaking bones and mangling limbs

Rail- Draw an arrow to your maxium endurance, and launch it into a group of individuals, the arrow passing through them one by one.

Snipe- Shoot an arrow without the target knowning the direction it came from

Infuse- If shooting from a melded room, give the arrow addition effects of that room, so long as the arrow isn't magically or chemicaly unstable. Or, place a rune into an arrow

Suppress- Shoot multiple arrows in a direction, causing all in the way to fall to the ground for cover

Ok coming from someone who shoots bows frequently and often *shows off young archer assciation awards, and his two brand new US Archer's Assciation Award.*

Rail... no no no no no... arrows are not super titantium bullets that can turn 90 degress and hit another target despite what you see in movies... and don't tell me with magic because in that entire skill set no magic was mentioned...


Cripple... Let me shoot you in the knee with an arrow and you tell me what breaks? Having been shot with an arrow, I know they tend to break on impact with bone... Bone vs Wood, bone wins.

Duel shot, I am tired of movie archery and game archery showing this... these people need to shoot a bow at least once to understand that even with extrodinary skill it is not possible. The top arrow will ALWAYS be pushed down into the bottom and accuracy and range are shot to hell.

Surpress... these arn't machine guns... all I can say about that one.

If you want to make archery 'special' give the class the ability to upgrade bows, and make unique bows (with varies gadgets and such making each bow unique) for the indivdual archer. Perhaps even give them a mini enchant to arrows, like enchant a regular arrow to hit a target and burst into a web, or some such...

And if you must have the duel shot, or the 'rail' thing, take a page from Fable. You were able to cast a shot, that when you fired the arrow would multiply (depending on level of spell) and more the one arrow would hit.

You can fling fireballs, summon demons to do your bidding, and survive 6 or 7 broadsword strikes to the head before dying. Not to mention just eaching a bunch of grass can instantly seal all of your bleeding wounds, and a few sips of medicine will instantly bring you back to full health.

Dual shooting is just fine.

Was that bow being fired by an 8-foot tall bear?

For the six thousandth time.

Rogues will not be getting skills or benefits. I'm not even an admin, and I know that.

It's a misnomer. He's referring, as has been done before, to the D&D type rogue, id est...thief...sneaky...type...person.

Not IRE rogues.

Guido, one its not the strength of the shooter of the bow... I am 6'1, can bench press about 100 over my weight, in the end if someone is firing the same poundage bow, my arrow goes no further in then his. Strength is only needed to pull back the string, after that it does not matter.

And I am going to protest duel shot until the cows come home, set out and come back again, blue in the face. It is possible to swing two swords at once, if magic did exsist it would more the likely be possible to throw fireballs. However, arrows and bows do exsist, and outside of DnD, novels and movies have I ever seen anyone shoot two arrows at once accuratly, and for more then 5, 10 feet...

But anyways, there are a lot more options open for archery the 'duel' shot.

Yeah, archery would be a lot more nice if it stays away from dual-shot, machine guns and railguns.

Things like enchanted arrows to have different effects would be better.

The force in which the arrow hits the target is determined by how hard the bow is to pull back. I forget what the specific term is. An eight-foot tall bear would, theoretically, be able to utilize a bow that an ordinary human would never be able to pull back. Am I right?

And hell, forget dual-shots, I have them to be like Diablo-friggin'-II. I want to shoot TWENTY goddamn arrows at a time!

Bah!

Why must people confuse "Duel" and "Dual"

the pronounciation is different too.

Anyhow, I think you're looking for "Dual Shot" rather than "Duel Shot" which would imply like a duel with two people walking away from each other and turning and shooting or something

Sekreh brings up another good point!

I want to be able to wield a bow in each hand! And somehow fire both at once!

In fact, I want to shoot twenty arrows from each bow! I want to be shooting fourty arrows every six seconds! Not only that, but each of the fourty arrows can pierce armor, seek out targets, and COOK ME MY ****ING BREAKFAST!

*Faint*

Yay! A John Wu type of Archer!

Well I think this thread just lost all validity

Indeed it has, but Guido has brightened my night once again.

Draw Weight, and yes a tae'dae could in theory pull 300-400lb draw weight bows even without modern style bows.


EDIT: And if you want a comparison to the greatest archers of all time (IMHO) the English Archers in the Hundred Years war, used the infamous English Longbow, it wasn't recurved, it didnt have assisted draw, and they could still efficiently use this 110lb draw weight long bow, sending it to ranges of around 250yds, and they were so skilled and practiced to be able to use them (starting training bows at 11 years old) they could fire around 12 arrows a minute, a veritable machine gun in archery terms, considering the immense unassisted draw, and that these were war arrows, not target arrows.

Perhaps you could envenom arrows, but high up in archery you can craft an arrow with 2 prongs or whatever, so you can shoot do damage and inflict 2 venoms with the one arrow.

And if you were shot in the back of the knee with an arrow and it went though your tendons, that it wouldn't hurt badly.

Since they did such a good job with bodypart damage here, you should be able to target arrows for ribs legs etc for stuff like asthma (rib hit) and the arrows should stick into you, so you have to pull them out (adding in ahigh level skill called barb, so it does damage when they are pulled out)

EDIT: Add this as a specialisation to knighthood. Also give me meteor arrows too. Another good thing would be to be able to throw a javelin which impales and stuns your target.

Hehe. I can see it now, Daevos doing a Boromir thing and fighting the hordes with about 578487 arrows sticking out of him.

"Bring him down, bring him down!"

300 pound draw would never really be possible... fiber glass couldn't handle that kind of strain, and I don't think Lusternia has fiberglass or anything better...

Moonhart wood > Fiberglass.

Thank you, come again.