I just had a wonderful discussion with Tuek in game about vitae being a death or not.

We couldn't agree on it, so let me ask you, the forum-whore,

Is vitae the same as dying? worse? better? well its obviously not worse.

Who here considers it a death the same as praying death or not? Id love to see some intelligent discussion on this rather than crap.

Vitae is obviously a death.
All the skills and things that deal with death show that it is... I don't see how there is a debate about it.

Although, Sacrifice becomes silly if they have vitae.

Vitae is indeed a death. Perhaps not as bad as a death where you must pray, but still death. The Avenger protects you, you lose defenses, you are cured of affliction, you lose experience, et al.

you lose exp?
never noticed that.

Thats my point, I was asking the world if they see it as much of a difference.

And by that logic tuek, lich is a death too apart from the xp bit. you lose all defs, lose afflictions but instead of XP loss, you get a 4 second eq loss.

Maybe they should make lich count as a death for avenger etc

Lich doesn't count for avenger? You sure?
I think it does.

Lichsee, Trans Planar, dieing in your own city/village, vitae are all deaths.

Lich does not lose experience. Vitae does. You know, I have an idea.

Here is some ideas for vitae:
Vitae should cost you just as much experience as a normal death.
Vitae should however keep all of your defenses.
You shouldn't lose the extra power when dying from vitae.

Chasm should really go through vitae. They get sucked underground and crushed, then the vitae makes them suddenly appear agove ground again and healed. Weird to say the least.

You are wrong about lich, it does lose exp, its just less than 1% at higher levels.

Vitae is fine, no need to change it.

Serenwilders being just as swift and hard to catch outside the forest as inside the forest does need to change however

i like the power idea tuek, that way we can vitae/ghost, and well that would be enough for me to never say another bad word about spores.

Vitae negates Lich.

You would also lose up to 40% experience.. more if you were double-killed. I'd be satisfied too.

Well damn, we finally agree totally on it. I could handle being doublekilled, because if you're being doublekilled with vitae/ghost, then you need to trans fleeing, becuase you aren't good enough.

Make the eq on ghost shorter too, cause i just know tueks thinking groups wih that lowmagic kill ghost skill they have

being able to die twice and lose tons of exp due to a short lag burst is a bad idea in my book.

While that may be true, you can't expect for anyone to take in considerations for lag when dealing with game mechanics, lag is just bad luck.

I don't see the point of what you are saying though. You still died, and rather then losing 6% or whatnot to a vitae death, you are losing the regular +40%. Odd... and you still call it getting away?
No one else would have such twisted logic.

So don't put up vitae, then you'd suffer a single death. You would put up vitae only if you want to risk such a thing.

Everyone who was complaining about liche seemed to think we "got away" also, although I much prefer the contagulation type of death than a liche death. However, being a liche is itself a benefit. The death thing is just annoying as hell.

Thats probably due to a case of too much crack.

nah, i just misread what youw ere saying, i thought you said 40% on a doubledeath.

I call getting away when you otherwise dont have to pray for salvation. I utterly hate praying for salvation personally.

there are more important things than XP. but personally I think that vitae should make you lose more XP, so a doubledeath adds up to 50%, set if you die to vitae you lose 20%. Gives you an incentive not to doubledie, and also makes it not debilitating if you -do- doubledie.

It could be a trade off, you lose more xp from the vitae, but lose less power.

Maybe this whole thread is just a way of saying that the loss from vitae needs to be made more. 6% is bugger all considering you just died.

I'm with you on this one Tuek, Vitae should take more XP when you die, so at least when I get someone to vitae, I get the satisfaction of knowing that me killing them actually made them lose out in a decent way, rather than getting off scot free with 6% xp loss. Especially true when you have a valid reason to kill someone, it makes you believe they will think twice before doing it again

Vitae is great if you want to get vengance on someone without Pk carefull on.. During influencing on southguard I got vengance on Triden for his kill and attack on me.. I was lucky though I got summoned 3 times by Serenwildes so after triden got me someone else summoned me and atacked me on his own so I just fled

I cant comment on Liche since despite all my experiance I still dont know what it does exactley.. can someone help me out?