Lichdom was adjusted to compensate for the difference in day-night hours, so all other skills that rely on night should be compensated accordingly also.

Heh, I was joking with Tuek earlier about this. I doubt it will happen.

I doubt it too, but hey, it's a very valid point to raise.

Lich was changed because it, statistically, harmed you more than it helped you.

Do any Moondancer skills do that?

Some of our skills statistically harm our ability to fulfill our role. We can (could) escape well. That's about it.

If some of our Moon skills were half decent...

SPIRITBOND MOON currently harms my ability to regenerate mana for its intended
duration

SPIRITBOND NIGHT currently harms my ability to go hidden for its intended duration

Um, isn't the best part of Lich that it is an experience free death? The +/- thing is just a side effect that was supposed to balance to no overall gain. It now has a slight benefit (which seems good, I'm glad with the change).

I think the only moon skills that are exclusively used after dark are drawdown and rage, which isn't too bad. Of course, letting rage go through shields would be nice...

Yes but we can't use those skills for the intended period of time. We are X times less powerful because we have Y less time to use our skills.

Wrong.

Lich, during the day, makes it so you are actually worse off than you would be if you didn't have it.

Moon and Night in the day, however, make no difference either way. Plus, those aren't even Moondancer skills.

We are underpowered, considering it was a assumed day and night would be equal. Day is what, 65% of the time? We have 15% less time to use skills intended for use during that time.

And fine, forget that I mentioned Moondancers. All skills that rely on night to be used are at the moment disadvantaged (except Lich, now) by having 15% less useable time which directly translates to the power and balance of the classes.

Even if your argument make perfect sense, look at it this way...

You're saying the Moondancers need to be made stronger. Even with your night skills being disadvantaged, they are still as strong (if not far stronger) than Magnagora's. Balance means does not mean that /everything is the same/.

Read that sentence again.

Kthxbai.

If all lich did was allow me to come back alive again with a massive eq loss, then I would never lich. Although I really like the fact that I have to keep sticking my face back on my skull... but thats beside the point.

The only reason I use lich is cheaper contagion, and +2 str +2 int.

there are 3 other skills, available to everybody that make dieing less painfull.

No, we need to be FIXED. I hear that mentioned a lot. Not downgraded, not upgraded, not bugged or unbugged, FIXED. It seems to be the catchphrase used for the Totem FIX and the Lich FIX. Adjusting skills reliant on night would be a FIX.

(Wow, typing things in caps makes me look like a knob.)

Your right, your skills should be change.
During the day Night makes you stand out so much that you are now easier to hit.
During the day Moon is so faded that you lose mana trying to concentrate on the moon you can't see so well.

ENJOY!

But none of them provide no experience loss whatsoever, Daganev.

Edit: Just for the sake of being narky, does this also mean you wouldn't object to Lich not activating if there is an eye sigil there?

I wouldn't mind that. A simple RELEASE is all I would need to do.

The Moondancer skills are not broken, there is nothing to fix. The fact that days are not 50/50 impacted the effects of Lich FAR more than any of the Moondancer skills.

What is worse?

-A small loss of your mana regeneration bonus
-A less useful invisibility skill (Everyone with Nature can already do this in forests anyway)

or

-Having two of your most important stats lowered by 2 points each.

The latter, but that is not my point.

Day and Night were intended to be 50/50, they are not. It impacts on our ability to use certain skills in a way that was unintended.

How would you even suggest that they be changed?

Night can't be improved, it's just an invisibility skill.
Do you want moon to give a bigger bonus at night?
And have your night-only Moondancer skills work even better than they do now? How so?

Sure, you'll be fixed in your eyes, but you will be totally unbalanced.

Actually, that would be not being able to access our most damaging attack, and significant armour protection, Guido. And Lich is just as optional as bonding with spirits. Not that I think we need changing.

I don't know why I'm arguing, I actually like the lich change. Hmm, maybe its because I just don't like the martyr mentality, and considering one's own class but not any other.

*mutter* That was in response to:

You people and your quick responses.

I have no class. Well, I have all the Ur'guard skills, but they're at inept. Even before I forgot them all I had fabled bonecrusher, apprentice athletics, and no third skill. So I really have no class to favor.