The Karma system is going to ruin your profits.

1) It punishes those who enjoy PK. PKer's tend to buy more credits, as a group, then most other demographics in Lusternia. The Karma system serves to drive them away, which hurts your profits.

2) It punishes those who are casual players. They don't have the time to quest extensively in order to give curses or heal them, and now if they try to participate in the defense of their city or the like in any way, they're cursed. Less casual players means a much smaller playerbase, which means a lower ranking on TopMuds and other ranking sites, which means less incoming players, which means less profits. And casual players buy credits as well, on occasion.

I disagree. Even if karma will eliminate PK from Lusternia completely (or almost completely), it won't hurt the finances very much. Achaea, in which PK is practically non-existant, has the biggest playerbase, and from what I read in their city logs, the most credit purchases.

Also, this part:

is untrue. If you kill an enemy while 'on your ground', you're not his/her suspect. Also, if you didn't kill anyone before, you don't even lose a single karma point.

Bah absurdity, it opens up new options...KARMA ARTIFACTS!

Achaea has a hell of a lot more PK than Lusternia does currently.

No it doesn't, and Achaea used to be good. Now it sucks.

I'm pretty sure it does.

This calls for an investigation! I'll get back with deathsight reports in a week or so.

Edit: I am well aware of the suckiness. PK doesn't happen for decent RP or anything radical like that, but it does happen on occasion.

You both have a point. If those involved in PK are also those who buy the most credits, and also those most likely to dislike repetitive questing, then what is the likelihood that artifacts to aid karma regeneration will sell?

What else may or may not hurt profits lurks within my signature as well. You have a say!

And hey, if people are more inclined to switch classes then.. more sells?

Uhm, I was around the most time of this day and noticed no slowing down when it came to pk and most of it happened on Prime so in my eyes the panic I hear everywhere has no point.
Also, you don't need blessings, of course they are nice, but till yesterday everyone lived well without them and if you don't want to quest then you will continue to live well without them.

I really, really, really wish I could get a refund at this point. Aside from the alchemy thing, Lusternia was the most fun I've had mudding in years and I've spent almost $1,000 on it. Now the game is ruined for me, people in my city are being attacked and because I'm not doing these quests I can't do anything about it. If this is the direction they intend to take the game than many of us who came here just for the avenger system which makes it so different from other IRE games deserve a refund.

Awww...people in your city get attacked? My, what meanies........

Meh Jello, make a Serenwilder alt like the rest of us and enjoy the good life.

There's a place.

It's called Celestia.

There's a place.

It's called Nil.

There's a place.

It's called Ethereal.

There's a place.

It's called Astral.


While I wish more worthwile things would be placed on other planes, or treated as off-plane for PK purposes (Glomdoring, Sea of Despair vs. Inner Sea), that's where PK is designed for. Try killing angels or demons.... guess what will happen.

Actually, if going by Achaea standard pricing, you really have the non-pkers who spend a bit more money. Most of them buy the expensive stat raising arties so they can go take down Ugrach solo, or take on the whole underworld. The PK'ers have a few artie whores, but tons and tons of folks there have artifacts and you'd never find them PK'ing.

That is debatable I realize, but if you look at the vast array of arties available there...the nonPk'ers have to be up pricewise.

Anyhow, I think Karma balances the game out pretty well, and you will see some of the peopel who tossed their hands up earlier are coming back now. We are going to lose the hardcore combatants, but that's just the way it goes. If you want to start your own crusade to get it changed go ahead. The Excessive PK thread vote turned towards "Yes, something needs to be done" and there were daily rants by people on dying to random folk. Something had to be done.

I believe the Yes vote on "Do you like Karma is in the lead" at the moment. So obviously the system isn't a total loss. You just have the two opposite ends of the spectrum going at it with the "Limit PK" and the "We want Conflict" folks not compromising on too much. I say give it a month or two and then we can rant about it some more.

Yes...let's wait a month or two.

Because all the people disgusted with the realm and what is has become by then will have left, or resigned to the fact it's not going to get changed. So, the silence will be seen as a sign of Approval.

I want my money back.

As's been stated before (back when Brona was complaining about lich nerfs), financial complaints get nowhere. Really. You're better off trying a more reasonable tack. If you give up in 2 months, what chance do you expect to have to make it better?

This is such shoddy business practice though. If they tried to pull this I'd quit without even bothering to post about how idiotic it was.

Imagine if Microsoft began intentionally selling their products with bugs built in. All jokes on the truth of this prospect aside, people would be outraged if they then began to -charge- people to rid their programs of these bugs. The situation is the same.

Whoa slow er down, dont give Microsoft ideas or they will start charging for thier constant patchs..

I'm not saying that was the intent, as it probably wasn't. Just that when someone mentioned karma artifacts, that line of reasoning dawned as well. I'm sure that frustrating people to such an extent wasn't intentional.

It's only frustrating the PK obsessed freaks who do no quests, roleplay only rarely, and then throw a fit when they must live with the consequences of their actions.

Aggressive players must expect harsher standards because their of style of play.

If you are going to kill someone, be sure to stock up on karma beforehand.