Which race needs an upgrade?

by Desdemona

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Desdemona2005-02-16 02:53:18
I reduced the races to those I believe do really need upgrade, so if you can limit yourself to vote on one of the mentioned above, do so. If not... feel free to post which one do you think needs an upgrade.

Personally, I believe that Taurians need an upgrade for their stats to be more congruent with their description and reputation. Followed by the Orclach, which I believe even when possessing good Advantages, their Level 3 fire susceptibility is a burden. Then I'd say come the furrikin, because even their stats do resemble their docile nature (the one I perceive, at least...) I think they could be a bit more feral... Um, that is about it. I was considering locking this Poll, but I'll let you people comment and what not.

VOTE!
Shiri2005-02-16 02:54:12
You missed Faeling, they're pretty awful too.
Jack2005-02-16 02:56:09
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Desdemona2005-02-16 02:56:39
I wasn't too sure about Faelings. For me FLYing has always been a huge help, an ability to explore and escape. Also, I thought their Racial Advantages were quite nice too. Maybe the Exp disadvantage is too much regarding how faeling stats seem.
Silvanus2005-02-16 02:57:40
I voted for Orclach, as I only know one, and I don't think I've ever met him.
Elryn2005-02-16 02:59:05
I hope people realize that these sort of polls aren't evidence of any real disadvantage or pressing imbalance... only what the most forum-readers want.

Anyway, I definitely think Faeling need something, and I've posted reasons elsewhere. I think to a lesser degree maybe Furrikin as well, and Trill and Humans could be boosted in some ways to make them more attractive for rp. I would still like all experience bonuses/penalties removed.
Shiri2005-02-16 03:01:26
Same as Elryn.

Except Trill. I still hold that they'll be better eventually, so they don't need bonuses now.
Unknown2005-02-16 03:01:49
Orclach. Lucidian will be fine with Hallifax.
Desdemona2005-02-16 03:03:32
Polls like these are only to ask the forum-users opinion. Though, you can easily see in-game those races that are lacking, and that are mostly scant due to their weaknesses (or unattractiveness).

Trills will probably get a very good modification whenever Hallifax is revealed, so maybe we really shouldn't worry much about them... or should we?

I was going to comment about the experience advantages/disadvantages... but completely forgot what I was going to say. Other that I believe there are some races that posses those disadvantages to pair up with their good stats/advantages.
Elryn2005-02-16 03:07:59
Well, experience bonuses/penalties affect the result of player effort more than balance any in-character edge. Sure, they might balance other advantages, but would you rather take a little bit extra damage from a certain source, or have to spend twice as much time/effort doing everything? I know which I'd choose.
Shiri2005-02-16 03:13:27
2/2/2/0/2/2/0. So they all suck apart from Lucidian and Trill, which will get better later.

Well...that was conclusive. sleep.gif
Desdemona2005-02-16 03:20:48
Well, some races can obviously cope very well with those exp penalties. Others don't really seem to merit such disadvantage. But races like Igasho, Dwarf, Tae'dae(I think that the level 3 xp dis is in pair with all the other benefits), Loboshigaru, Elfen, Aslaran, Merian, Orclach (if their level 3 susceptibility weren't already a great punishment) offer incredible stats and advantages that you choose them because they offer you with something between more power, more resistance, more speed, etc... that the xp disadvantages aren't that bad. In fact, it is like the fee for being a race with some exceptional attributes. Even though, on the other hand, delicate races like Furrikin and Faeling could be done without those disadvantages. Their advantages may be good, but not really comparible to the stats and advantages of other races.

In most cases, I believe, the races that possess the disadvantages will in some sense diminish the effort a person will have to commit thanks to their advantages... be in areas like combat, hunting, or other.
Ialie2005-02-16 03:31:04
As a level 66 faeling druid with greatrobes, mercy charm, stagform regen, regenerating in a forest, kite shield skullcap, all spirits bonded and invoking yellow. If I don't sip a potion each time after a Fesix hits me I am dead faeling after the third hit. Let one more fesix walk in on me and I am dead. Then to put the experience penalty on top of that.. it just gets very very frustrating.

Now.. I don't mind the being weak thing.. I am a faeling I understand that. We are the smallest beings in Lusternia.. but we really need no exp penalty.. or we could keep the penalty if we got an exp bonus for influencing. Or even if we got some magickal skills for rp purposes only. Being part fae and all it wouldn't be hard to understand that we have some racial magic.
Shiri2005-02-16 03:40:29
Yeah, and at least faeling have intelligence. What do Furrikin have? We have dex, good. We have roll, okay. But look at classes.

Mage/Guardian? 12 int. Uh, no.
Warrior? 9 strength. Uh, no.

And dex doesn't actually seem to do anything. Charisma? Less than both Elfen (who really have enough going for them as is compared to us, and yes, I know there's SUPPOSED to be more of them, but that doesn't mean we should have no advantage at anything) and Faeling. And 11 constitution isn't great either. We pwn at escaping stonewalls, but we're more of a Serenwilde race anyway, so we all have leap! I -understand- that we're supposed to be less common than Elfen, and probably a bit more combat-challenged, but it's just kinda ridiculous at this level.

(Actually, I think Faeling are almost/just as badly off as us, but everyone knows they're busted, whereas we seem to get overlooked, because there -aren't- any.)

(And I actually think Orclach are fine, but that's just me.)
Desdemona2005-02-16 03:48:52
Regarding Orclach... yes, it is just you wink.gif

Overall the stats of the Orclach are good, but in my opinion, where the Orclachs fail is in their advantage/disadvantage department. The level 2 regeneration sure is good, level 2 resistance could be considered good... but the level 1 resistance to electric? Not good at all. Also, the fire 3 weakness is too much, for a slow race. Essentially the Orclach aren't that appealing. Among the bulky races, I think that the Orclach and the Taurians are the most bland... even when both of those races do possess rich backgrounds and enough areas as to where perform character development.

Hm, I'll provide a pro-Taurian "discourse" later on. Though I think lots of my posts hint on me wanting Taurians be upgraded biggrin.gif

Edit: It has occurred to me, that if the divines are really going to bring back all the places lost in time (Ackleberry, Glomdoring commune, etc.), maybe more and more races will possess stat alterations regarding their specialization. I for one forsee Furrkin alterations when Ackleberry return. In fact, I believe most races right now could suffer similar transformations like Viscanti/Merian/Elfen, except the Taurian/Igasho... Well maybe not most races. Only faeling, orclach, could have specialization changes. But anyhow, probably only Viscanti/Merian/Elfen got those privileges as a way to hint that those are the most domineering races of their respective places... the symbol race, so to speak. Lucidian could probably suffer that change whenever Hallifax appears, Dracnari too (even though Dracnari as they are look awesome).
Nyla2005-02-16 05:00:23
Faelings would be awesome if it wasnt for the slower exp gain plus the lowest constitution.

Question..... Why do Faeling have more dex (17) than Aslarans (16) yet dont have a fast balance recovery? I figure with their small size and quickness they would have a faster balance than all the races.
Elryn2005-02-16 05:05:57
QUOTE(Desdemona @ Feb 16 2005, 01:48 PM)
In fact, I believe most races right now could suffer similar transformations like Viscanti/Merian/Elfen, except the Taurian/Igasho... Well maybe not most races. Only faeling, orclach, could have specialization changes.
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Faelings will never be one of the specialization races. It just wouldn't make a lot of sense. They are born from Elfen and Fae, and the most numerous place in which that naturally would occur is mystical Serenwilde. I assume earthy Ackleberry is more populated by furrikin/tae'dae than Elfen, and any form of tainted Glomdoring (if the worst comes to pass) won't involve fae.

Edit: If there's a tainted Glomdoring... maybe orclach will be the specialization? Or maybe just new types of Viscanti? Of course, if Glomdoring is returned as insane and evil but not tainted, then maybe something else is possible. Though I would think the most likely choice for specialization would be Lusternia's version of 'dark' elfen - since at least it would be a nature commune again.
Nyla2005-02-16 05:09:33
I still think it would be cool if you could go to Faethorn and make a pact with Queen Maeve and get some kinda special fae no one else can. Maybe something like the hounds from imperian or falcons from Achaea. Just prettier.
Ialie2005-02-16 05:09:57
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Faelings are almost always raised in elfen communes, and are given special status by wiccans.


Where is that special status?
Elryn2005-02-16 05:11:45
I think thats supposed to refer to respect and deference... but you're right, we probably don't follow it too much.