Well, currently the blessing gives AND +2 charisma, whereas beauty gives nothing.

So Narsrim just gets his Harmony blessing, for the increased experience gain. Of course he's all excited, and so he heads up to Astral to bash and check it out.

This just in...


(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Yeah, Karma isnt working properly at all."

(Serenwilde): You say, "Oh?"

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Have a harmony blessing."


Your soul's karma stands at 34%.
You have:
The karmic blessing of : 8 hours 6 min.
The karmic blessing of life: 15 hours 40 min.
See HELP KARMA for information on karmic blessings and curses.


(Serenwilde): You say, "And?"

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Its halved my experience gain."

(Serenwilde): You say, "Are you certain?"

(Serenwilde): Alister says, "Sure you're not cursed?"

You tell Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist, "*ROFL*."

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Almost entirely."

Narsrim tells you, "What's going on?"

Narsrim tells you, "I cannot hear on astral."

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "And yes, Im not cursed."

You tell Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist, "Serenwilde): Azur says, "Yeah,
Karma isnt working properly at all.""

You tell Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist, "(Serenwilde): You say, "Oh?""

You tell Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist, "(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Have
a harmony blessing.""

(Serenwilde): Alister says, "Well, as with most things that are new, I'm sure
there are ripples within the fabric of Karma that have yet to be ironed out by
the Gods."

You tell Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist, "(Serenwilde): You say, "And?""

You tell Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist, "(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Its
halved my experience gain.""

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Sandojins usually give me 9-10%, theyre only giving
me 5%."

Narsrim tells you, "No way."

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Same with moose."

You tell Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist, "*ROFL*."

You tell Narsrim D'cente, Lunar Thaumaturgist, "Classic, classic."

Narsrim tells you, "I'll kill."

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Everything Ive fought is giving me about half what it
was pre-blessing."

(Serenwilde): Endeptha says, "Have you gained a level?"

(Serenwilde): Alister says, "I don't remember there being an announce post, but
maybe some experience levels have been modified?"

(Serenwilde): You say, "Are you sure you just haven't levelled up a bit?"

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Not since I got the blessing."

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "And I checked it before the blessing for comparison."

(Serenwilde): You say, "But from since when you were getting that amount?"

(Serenwilde): You say, "Ah."

(Serenwilde): Alister says, "I would say BUG it then."

(Serenwilde): Azur says, "Because I wanted to see how much the blessing
helped."

Heh, this almost belongs in the funnies.

When curses go into effect, I hope we don't have crazy bugs where you get hit with one curse, and instead are afflicted with multiple, because that'd just suck.

Edit: Cleaned up the log a bit, and censored Narsrim.

Edit #2: I removed the name of the first bugged blessing and it's effect like Daganev did to another one of my posts, as he pointed out, it is abuseable. (Ha, beat you to it Daganev.)

Yeah, theres gonna need to be some debugging of karma blessings before all is well with the world, now if the blessing DID work, it would be quite nice. Oh, and can you reset my blessing timer once you fix it?

I just checked the code and harmony blessing definitely gives a 10% xp bonus.

well.. with the new change to Karma.. could ther please a command added to remove a blessing? I have three right now and absolutly no chance off upkeeping them
And i hate the prospect of having to sit back, for 2 hours and let them fade, then hunting for several more hours only so i can gain one again wshich i can upkeep

Message me in-game and I'll remove them for you.

That's the kind of thing I like to see. -wubs on Estarra-

Now if only we could message Estarra to get rid of curses... *ponder*

These new karma changes are cool... oh and distortion is only 200 power now... yay! Though I would have liked getting 1 karma a month.

Well.. the changes sure make it more likely for most people not to run around wth more than one blessing at a time..

I have two right now, and even though i -can- keep them up, it's not really easy.

.. so does anyone else think that 5 per blessing -each hour- is a bit much? Maybe 5 for one, 7 for two etc..

5 per blessing each -online- hour, is that. 5 karma for double experience for hour is STILL pretty good, way I see it. I actually think the upkeep alone should solve my problems with the blessings system. And declare will solve it with the cursing system, quite likely. Hurray!

I think 5 per hour upkeep is quite fair. Also, the Harmony blessing only gives a 10% bonus, as Estarra said, not double experience.

you gain 10% experience bonus if you have a harmony blessing.. that's not double.. wish it was

anway, yes i was speaking about online hours. try upkeeping two blessings and you know what i mean. if you make quest that give a ton of karma it's possible, but then those are usually the quests many people do and .. difficult to do.

another way would be bashing. you gain 1% for every four mobs, so so you need to hunt 40 an hour alone for the upkeep, if you want to get the blessing once it fades you need to hunt even way more.

so basically what i'm trying to say is, if you have more than one blessing -all- you can do is try to get karma for the upkeep, it leaves you -no- time for anything else.
Now add to that that it costs 50 karma already to get the blessing in the first place

I don't say 5 for one blessing is too much, blessings give a huge advantage, they -should- be difficult to get and maintain, but couldn't the costs for a second, third be reduced?

also, please add something so we can remove blessings ourselves, rather than having them drain all our karma.

I have no idea why I even remotely thought it was double. Okay, anyway. Surely it should be MORE for having more than one blessing, if not the same. I mean, it's a pretty big bonus. It's harder to keep more than one up, but that's the point.

I hope all you Karma critics out there are rethinking your hatred of it. As you can see, we do listen to each and every valid comment.

As for upkeep, I have a feeling some of you will find a combination I already see that is MORE then easy to upkeep and still gain karma.

A combination? Eh?

I'm really not liking the latest changes. 5 squid = 1% Karma

Yea, I was having trouble enough gaining Karma, and I'm not sure how much it was lowered.

I'd rather see it remain rather easy to get, but to nerf some of the blessings.

I hate to spoil it for everyone, but kill kill kill offer quest kill etc.

I must say, I feel like the upkeep is another step backwards. Here's the situation I see: Bobby has two blessings, it takes him half an hour to work up the 10 karma for the upkeep. He then has half an hour of bashing/influencing to take advantage of the blessings. He has to spend half of his time online getting karma in order to keep his blessings. He doesn't want to lose them because they cost 50 karma. One day, an event happens that involves an organization that Bobby is a member of. The event will probably involve at least an hour of talking with NPCs, and another hour of figuring out a quest for an NPC. Bobby is unsure if this quest will reward him with any karma, especially since he will probably not be the one to deliver the final item. Bobby does not have the 20 karma reserves that it would take to keep his blessings through these two hours. Bobby must now choose wether to lose the two blessings (worth 100 karma) or roleplay. Bobby chooses the former. In the original karma system, Bobby might have at least chosen to roleplay, because then it would just burn two hours of blessing, rather than two hours of blessing -and- 20 karma.

Here's another situation: Bobby has two blessings, and 20% karma reserves. He is capable of gaining 10% in a half hour. Bobby kills someone for a legitimate reason (non just a random highway jumping) and gets cursed. Bobby now must spend 4 full hours questing to end up with 60% karma and a removal cost for 55%. Under the old system, Bobby would've quested for 2.5 hours to end up with 70% karma and a 65% removal cost. Blessings were supposed to protect you from curses, not make them harder to remove. If he gets 2 curses, perhaps he needs to kill two people working as a team (if they are trying to raise Crow or do some other quest that specifically harms an organization), it will now take him the same 4 hours to remove the first, and 3.5 more hours to remove the second. That's over 7 hours of questing. Under the old system he would've had to work an additional 2.5 hours, giving him a total of 5 hours.

Not only that, but this only increases the already strained competition for quests, which will probably slow down Bobby's karma gain even more. I think the recent changes show that karma under its current form (with curses not even out yet) isn't working. The administration can either continue to make these tweaks, making the system even more complex and demanding even more of the players' time, until all of a player's time is spent getting karma, and doing karma related activities, or they can realize that karma is not leading the game in the right direction and scrap it and look for a better system. I hope they will do the wise thing and do the latter

I call that economic theory.

You have to be smart about your choices.

Faethan-

I can't believe how whining you are about the upkeep of blessings. -No- one is forcing you to get any of these blessings at all, yes, it's great that other people are taking advantage of them since they worked for them, if you're not willing to invest the time and efforts to get karma for blessing and sustain them, you don't have to get them at all.

Again, this is a system of reward/punishment, if you don't do anything wrong, you won't get punished (hopefully) and if you don't do something worth rewarded, then you won't get rewarded. Simple as that. How in the world is blessing going to ruin your enjoyment of Lusternia? You could choose not to use karma for blessing, again, that is your choice.