Nope, secretaries shouldnt have the automatic power to outguild. Being a secretary I see what goes on at the secretarial level and its not pretty. Least in that particular guild which shall remain anon to protect the good secs.
Secs have the ability to prevent people from advancing in GR and if given the ability to outguild then like in Achaea all the guilds will eventually be little clubs where only the secretaries are the real members and they can just throw people out for any idiot reason with no oversight from the GM to maintain the club.
Secretaries are mini-tyrants who from what Ive seen mostly (but not always, there are some really good secs that I work with) want others to just shut up and do anything they say or get whacked with a disfavour or outguilding if allowed. Its the major reason people never step down from a sec position on the other IRE games because the little despots dont want to give up their power over others, they could care less about the position they just want the power to outguild.
And it really rubs players the wrong way when they have been playing forever and in a couple years a new player gets into a secretary position who doesnt like them and suddenly the long time player can be outguilded over a personality conflict. Ive seen that happen too many times for it to be funny. Thats just garbage. And if secs could outguild as soon as they were made one in lusternia it would happen all the time.
I love the fact that the secretaries cant stop you from learning your skills unlike the other ire games and just have to sit there and actually let you play the game. Which was another reason I dropped out of achaea, Im in college and couldnt stand the fact that little Johnny 12 year old (or his european counterpart, little Gunter 12 year old) could actually affect my char on that level with no divine barriers to their guild powers yet the whole game was centered around the guild so there was NO escape from their vile little chocolate covered fingers or their endless I WUV You! comments.
Wooohooo!, I made level 100!, trans 10 skills, top ranked fighter.....but little Johnny whos been playing for two weeks and got his sec position from nepotism doesnt like you so you get outguilded and lose your guild skills and are forced to go buy new ones.
Thank you, no.
Secretaries, as well as city leaders for that matter, in lusternia are safely out of the daily lives of most players and you can pretty much ignore their more idiotic ideas and grand schemes without being hampered in your game play and I love that about the game. In lusternia you have to actually BE a leader to get people to follow you.
If gr15 allows you to outguild and thats what your guild has to do to allow it then there isnt any point in changing the overall rules to blanket allow all secretaries to outguild as you already have a loophole to use if thats the way you want to go.
Secs have the ability to prevent people from advancing in GR and if given the ability to outguild then like in Achaea all the guilds will eventually be little clubs where only the secretaries are the real members and they can just throw people out for any idiot reason with no oversight from the GM to maintain the club.
Secretaries are mini-tyrants who from what Ive seen mostly (but not always, there are some really good secs that I work with) want others to just shut up and do anything they say or get whacked with a disfavour or outguilding if allowed. Its the major reason people never step down from a sec position on the other IRE games because the little despots dont want to give up their power over others, they could care less about the position they just want the power to outguild.
And it really rubs players the wrong way when they have been playing forever and in a couple years a new player gets into a secretary position who doesnt like them and suddenly the long time player can be outguilded over a personality conflict. Ive seen that happen too many times for it to be funny. Thats just garbage. And if secs could outguild as soon as they were made one in lusternia it would happen all the time.
I love the fact that the secretaries cant stop you from learning your skills unlike the other ire games and just have to sit there and actually let you play the game. Which was another reason I dropped out of achaea, Im in college and couldnt stand the fact that little Johnny 12 year old (or his european counterpart, little Gunter 12 year old) could actually affect my char on that level with no divine barriers to their guild powers yet the whole game was centered around the guild so there was NO escape from their vile little chocolate covered fingers or their endless I WUV You! comments.
Wooohooo!, I made level 100!, trans 10 skills, top ranked fighter.....but little Johnny whos been playing for two weeks and got his sec position from nepotism doesnt like you so you get outguilded and lose your guild skills and are forced to go buy new ones.
Thank you, no.Secretaries, as well as city leaders for that matter, in lusternia are safely out of the daily lives of most players and you can pretty much ignore their more idiotic ideas and grand schemes without being hampered in your game play and I love that about the game. In lusternia you have to actually BE a leader to get people to follow you.
If gr15 allows you to outguild and thats what your guild has to do to allow it then there isnt any point in changing the overall rules to blanket allow all secretaries to outguild as you already have a loophole to use if thats the way you want to go.
