Look at the stats for Tae'dae and now look at Igasho... Igasho have it made 100x better than Tae'dae with similar adavantages. Tae'dae deserve a +2 str increase and +1 con increase... they are simply second rate.

I agree that there's little reason to be tae'dae in current form. Other races get nearly the strength we have, despite the fact we're supposed to be so absurdly strong, and we have the worst penalties in the game. If we're forced to keep the exp disadvantage especially, I don't see any reason why we can't get a strength increase so that we actually are measurably the strongest race.

Wow...Narsrim and I agree on two different issues on the SAME DAY. Wow.

I'll disagree to keep up form.

I feel narsrim would be dissapointed if I had it any other way.

Tae'dae are as fine as they are in my opinion. Maybe their exp disadvantage should be reduced to level 2. On the other hand, despite Igasho having more cont, hey Tae'daes are armour plated bears. Level 3 clunt/blunt/cold, and in the event that you get damaged you get the heal faster from elixirs level 3. Also, let's be serious, I am quite sure that Tae'dae will always be able to remain the strongest race. Every guild must surely have strength alteration boosts. So, at the very least a tae'dae with all the strength boosts will be one point stronger than any other boosted race.... Hey, Tae'daes can even bearhug, that makes the difference, doesn't it?

I believe that the only real thing that makes Tae'dae unappealing to some of you is the level 3 xp penalty... aside of that tae'dae are one of the best races out there, in my opinion.

tae'dae are much better then igashos im an igashen and am already considering switching to taedae as soon as possible

One point really is nothing, since fortuna can make up for that easily, and a brood viscanti with highmagic can eclipse a tae'dae lich with lowmagic via geburah. And Viscanti don't have a level 3 balance penalty, which means they are hitting almost as hard a LOT more often.

And you can't bearhug without declaring anymore Perfect example of rules getting in the way of what was before fun RP and really rather harmless to anyone (except Guido, who tends to stand around with 1 hp).

meh, I declare people I'm bearhuging. I don't expect them to turn around and kill me.

how much damage does bearhug actually do? is it like howl but to health?

Bearhug ain't an attack, it's a roleplay device.
I dunno exactly about the damage, something around... 50 health? A punch's worth at most.

Oh and, I'm all for upgrading the Tae'dae. Partially because I'm one myself *wry* but seriously, low dexterity, horrible balance, horrible magic weakness (66% of all serious damage attacks, IF knight archetypes weren't typically the one with least members of all, so more like 85% of all attacks), that doesn't really make up for the more-than-average CON and the fairly decent STR. As others said, other races probably have 1 str less without defs, but they hit up to twice as fast. (I know every Elfen in the Moondancers used to get in like two curses for everyone I got in, back then. Not to mention their curses hurt for like twice or more of what mine did.)

Summed up: *whine*

Actually, I like Tae'dae. Aye, they could use some minor improvements. Tad less exp penalty or a level or two less on the balance penalty would be really neat. They're not THAT bad though. They do get the cuteness factor too! (And I want a Tae'dae smilie, dangnabit)

50? Add a 0 to the end and it'll be more accurate.

i wanna get bearhug and go on a rampage with it

another thing can you bearhug denizens and use it as an attack on them?

yes, its my favorite form of ratting.

your cruel, bearhugging rats...does it take balance and stuff...?

its generally slower than normal bashing techniques but much more funny

still cruel though...theres this little baby rat aww pick it up hug..squash!

Tae'dae do need some upgrades. They're just not viable as things stand.