I am concerned that the viability of the Demesne to control the entire outcome of any influencing conflict was an unintended aspect of the ability. If this is not so, I'd question whether it was ever the intent to make combat and the ability to kill off your opponent the deciding factor in village influencing, and if it was not, should there be something done to make it less so? The potential to make it a far more interesting and strategic conflict beyond the same old battles we have every day is there, but it seems completely wasted. Thoughts?

We are letting Serenwilde influence.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what Rhysus said.

I agree with you, on the subject of demesnes in village influencing. However, by removing it, you've screwed an entire archetype out of their major skillset. Your very own archetype, in fact. Or are you suggesting demesnes be toned down in strength, concerning village influencing?

I know it has nothing to do, but thats what he was pointing out too.

We both know Rhysus is bringing it up because of Magnagora invading Southgard.

The whole experience with demesnes is basically depressing. After the team of 20 on the demesne you've been instantly summoned into (in my case from outside the village in question to inside it, meaning I don't even get suspect) tears you apart, you have to pray and lose 50% experience, which is 10x the amount I'd lose from an offplane death, and takes me about 2 hours of non-stop bashing to get back.

Add the fact that breaking a demesne takes a long, long time, which is basically measured by the amount of Mages you have, and it means that essentially, the city/commune with the largest number of skilled Mages online wins the village.

Yes. Demesnes are FAR too effective for village influencing in their current form. As it is, whoever has the village demesned has a guaranteed win, and I don't think it's meant to be that way.

Amaru, it DOES go both ways. Every city/commune has a mage guild. And the Geomancers normally have the least active number, to my knowledge. Truth is, in 4-5 hours, if the Seren doesn't send some people in to influence, Celest'll break through eventually.

I think it is a problem.

Mages may or may not be good fighters one on one (I have reason to believe they are.)

But mages, unlike Guardians/Warriors, completely own team combat, which INCLUDES village influencing. Soo, yes. Upgrades for runes/dreamweaving/illusions/stag, whatever, but demesne downgrades would be handy.
Or perhaps just eliminate demesnes at the start of the battle, which at least BEGINS people on an even footing. (Not that that helps a WHOLE tonne, but...)

Not true. Compare the amount of Aquamancer fighters to Geomancer fighters...

Compare the strengths of (JUST) the Aquamancer's demesne to the Geomancer's demesne. And compare number of actives. You in a novice Aquamancer's demesne that's been set up completely would kick more arse than Silvanus in his demesne.

Of course, Chasm would just plain sark.

I think we're hijacking a little. Back to the original theme.

I wanted the demesne being broken when a village goes for awhile now. We took the demesne from Shamarah.

Actually, Geomancers since the changes are the now superior Mage class of the three by far.

Erion, we're not trying to argue that, but demesnes are far too effective on the whole in village influencing. There is NO WAY we are going to manage to break Silvanus' demesne unless everyone just gives up and goes away. The demesne just tips it massively in your favour.

Not much of a hijack. I understand the main point being that demesnes may be a bit overpowered in relation to village influencing. My point is that every city has a demesne user, and all it takes is one person to sneak past Magnagora, or one traitor to let Rhysus teleport in down in the mines, and have Rhysus begin forceflooding and demesning, while a force flicks in.

Or someone can just burrow in. Point being, it's not that great. But, if someone can suggest a good solution, while not screwing demesnes entirely, I'd like to hear it.

It is irritating when we want to influence a village but the Seren's got it forested.

I don't see Celest not using their demesnes in Delport. Or the Seren not using them in any of their villages. Point is, you're right. Demesnes do tip it in our favour. But all you need to do is forceflood ONE room, get your fighters in, and you've got some ground to fight on.

Really? I've not seen their changes, but I still hear Hartstone's demesne can single-handedly take most people out. That's pretty powerful IMO

Personally I wish the coders would just say... 'Sorry, we were wrong. Demesnes have to go' and give Mages any of the infinite ideas we've put forward in their place.

Sorry guys, you're great, but demesnes... pssssssssssssssssssssssh.