After getting hit 7 times by drowse in the arena in a Hartstone's demesne...that is just not funny. >_< There is a cure to that, right? I know it costs 3 power, but if I could have someone permanently asleep for 24 power, I know I'd do it in a flash. :/ (And I don't even have the passive paralysis/asthma/blackout/hallucinations stun/bleeding going on.) How do you fight that stuff?

You don't!

But if you actually stay asleep for a second you'll negate it all and become rested.

Ooh, you mean if I stay asleep till the next tick (or do you mean 1 second literally?) instead of waking up immediately, I'll be back at fully rested?

Oh, really? As in, go back to fully rested? Damnit. That's what I was doing wrong then. (Re: frantically trying to wake up, focus, stand and leap over the icewall before the whole damn thing started again.) Okay, thanks. Not so bad then.

I don't mean you'll actually go back to fully rested! But if you stay asleep for a little bit, you'll stop falling asleep from exhaustion because you won't be that tired any more. It might be hard to do though.

Yes, yes it might, especially when they're poking cudgels at you so you can't do it.

There is a cure, it's called don't be there for the second round of casting.

*laugh* But then if you stay asleep for a bit, you'd probably end up dead real soon. And even if you don't end up dead, you'll just lose whatever rest you gained back the next time drowse hits anyway.


That's like saying you have only a timespan of 7 drowses to kill him. Like 7 rubs of Soulless except you can't move and then come back pretty quickly.

Eat kafe, right?

That's not a cure, it's a preventative. And it's not a very good one. >_<'

That just means you wake up super fast if you do fall asleep. And then fall asleep again just as fast. :/

You've suggested similar things more than one time now, and it's really making me lose respect for you.

It's quite simply a stupid line of reasoning.

Scenario:
Dreamweaver raids a city.
Defender comes.
Defender is drowsed.

Should the defender now run?

Would it be balanced if I could instakill anyone in the same room for no power and no eq or balance loss? Surely they could have just ran as soon as I came, or better yet not fought me in the first place.

Get a clue.

Well... its technically true...

Doesn't make it practical.

I agree with Ceres, I don't get why the hell you keep up these arguments of:

"Don't fight them, cause they obvious have an advantage, doh!"

"I mean, how stupid can you be to fight a dreamweaver -roll-."

The point of classes is to be balanced, not in all situations, but at least in some, running being the only way to survive any kind of conflict with a class, is NOT, I repeat, is NOT an option.

So there's no cure to it? Blah. Suppose they have to get you to sleep somehow for it to be any use, but...

Anyway, so I don't need to make a new topic, is it possible to pookaforce someone to drop their soulless cards, or indeck them, or something? I understand they probably need balance, but I can just do the run-out-run-in-pooka thing. Nayl nailed me with it first go yesterday, second time I managed to get out and we ended up drawing. But if it's possible to get rid of it that way it'd be neat.

You can do that with possess, so it'd probably work with pooka too.

Good. That'll teach 'em.

Drowse has a power cost, all dreamweaving has a high willpower cost aswell. It's not an instant kill, and if you can't defend against it, move. It's not hard to call someone, or a few people who have the ability to hit the dreamweaver.

You all keep bitching about dreamweaving, yet I look at all my logs, and knights are killing more with thier swords then dreamweavers are.... maybe swords are overpowered. Yes, let me go downgrade swords because people who don't have parry are dieing too them too often.

Not to mention, to drowse someone to that point takes well over 10 power. If you can't kill them in that time, or get someone you can, then don't stand there and wait for them to get their power back.

There are both cures and preventatives to knightly things. There are no cures for drowse/deepsleep. (The latter of which took me from Do Not Need Rest to Badly Need Sleep, but I might have made a mistake somewhere there. ) And I think solo combat is the issue, where you can't call anyone. Besides, I'm fairly sure they can do it while awake as well.

The latter argument, about power, still boils down to what is basically "if they start doing it, run or get help before they finish doing it." So soulless should not be wasted if someone gets away in mid-throw, then? And what if THEY get help? :/