Since when did Hajamin get permission to help spy and tell Celest and Serenwilde who to go influence?

This goes way beyond the boundaries of Divine playing ANY part in helping to make Lusternia a better place to play for mortals.

Of course, in an out of character viewpoint, many of us know the tactics of Hajamin.

1. I have mearly directed My city where to go, as we all know they need some help in the leadeship area. Where is it said a Patron does not help lead them? What did I tell them, target the influences, take out Murphy, take out Bricriu... these are all common sense things.

2. I've been watching everything, all sides. As part of the job is to teach them where they went wrong so the next time they do better. Magnagora is still winning, and by a large ammount. But Celest is learning their faults, hence I have done My job.

Sorry Hajamin, that's not your job. Get a life and stop acting so damn pompous. Let the mortals do their thing.

Does watching include poking at denizens when people are trying to influence them?

I'm trying really, really hard to be objective here. I know I'll fall short, but at least acknowledge the attempt.

There seems to be some unwritten OOC standard that says the Divine should basically leave all successes and failures to the mortals. Said standard makes little IC sense. Warped Viravain has a pretty explicitly stated motivation to interfere where necessary for the sake of Her commune. Hajamin has a pretty explicitly stated motivation to protect us little people. It makes sense that a whole slew of information that we mortals could only attain through OOC means are available ICly to an Elder God. So, the big question is...does the vague but persistent, deep-rooted, and well-nigh eternal OOC guideline trump what amounts to solid, IC governance?

I dunno.

That was called a typo, and what I did do was the emote OH.

What OOC means does it take to say, this player is big, they are influencing, I should stop them? As that's basicly all that was told to Celest. Wait how does Magnagora even know what was said over Celest CT? Oh yeah, OOC means via friends/spies, because we all know you never send tells IC as you don't want to get caught.

I'm actually referring there more to your telling the city which manifestations still had sand. Same idea.

I've never said WHICH, I have said I sense about X manifestations alive. Something a God(if they were real) could do easily. The same things were done during the Kethuru event to warn cities when the tentacles managed to wander into cities.

all i have to say is BS

Right. Like I said, which standard is more important? I'm honestly divided on the issue. There's a ton of OOC plotting between characters here (which annoys me to no end, mind you). That's a pretty clear-cut violation of both OOC and IC standards. Hajamin following what would be an IC standard, to the violation of the same OOC standard that Erion and Visaeris dance a jig on quite routinely. It happens all the friggin' time around here. Part of me says "Well heck, at least Hajamin makes sense when he's doing it," but the other part knows how far from orthodox it is.

I think you are also basing somethings off the concept of Gods in other realms. Are are a bit different, which should be evident by the fact that Glomdoring is 100% controled by a Divine.

You're right. I am. But it's a pretty persistent standard that transcends more than just IRE games. It's like...MUD Protocol 201. It's what you learn after you realize that leet speek on public channels is grounds for flogging both character and player. It still makes no IC sense whatsoever. Of course a benevolent, aligned God would inform loyal citizens.

Meh. I dunno.

Common sense would tell anyone the reasoning behind Viravain controlling Glomdoring right now - that being the entire commune hasn't fully been brought out as far as mortal leadership. And I am sure this will change when it has.

If it takes a Divine to help a city because they have an uninvolved leader and uncaring citizens about that situation, then that's just the players' fault. It doesn't make it any more allowable that you should be able to "give them a hand" because of it. Divine have a more powerful ability compared to mortals, even an entire city of them, and to give that powerful "help" to uncaring citizens with an uninvolved leader when another city isn't given that same "help" (and it should be that way), is just purely ridiculous.

Why doesn't Hajamin just oust Rhysus and say to Celest, "I'm your leader. Now you have a reason to listen to me and I have a justified way to abuse my "powerful" ability to help you."?

I would agree with you, expect for a few things.

1. A patrons job is to lead and help them.
2. It too me no god powers to know which players they should be targeting.
3. This is not other IRE games, mortals can and will become gods here. Are you going to be forcing these same rules upon your friend that becomes a Vernal god?
4. I abused no power what so ever, if I had I could have just given the village to Celest.
5. You still won the village, it seems when anything get's difficult for you it's because the Admin are obviously against you.

Think what you want. There is no need to defend my actions against you. If there was cheating, trust me it would be obvious.

Aiiee. Whining. STFU

I agree with Hajamin, he only said what to do and never used his god powers to help influencing. If he started killing Magnagorians so Celest had free game then you had reason to complain.

But then Estarra or Fain would come from the sky and beat up Hajamin.

I'd like to add that even with Divine help(?) Celest still proved to be incapable of gaining a village, getting in our damn way while we did most of the work trying to break and set up demesne, sanc key rooms, fighting off Mags and Glommies. Meh, just so frustrating.

Nah Raezon was around, so it would have been me kicking Raezon's butt

No offense, but... what the heck are you smoking? And can I have some?