I just fought Borca for the first time, and I lost simply because he kept me perpetually passing out from exhaustion.. I'd even go and sleep to almost fully rested, and after something like 30 seconds in his demesne I was back at passing out..

How the hell do you counter something like that?

As Hajamin said, do not fight in a demesne.

Kafe and orange, and sleeping a few seconds each time instead of instantly waking back up.

I should try him in his demesne once. Without demesnes, we couldn't kill each other, though phantoms and the tiredness were really pissing me off.

That's kind of hard when he can just demesne the whole arena

Did they upgrade sleepmist? Because when I had it, it was worthless for a battle that didn't last 10 minutes.

I'll give you small piece of my fight with him, towards the end I was falling asleep a lot:


3228h, 2648m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-
A violent tremor rocks the land, causing the earth to shake and the ground to
buck beneath your feet.

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3228h, 2648m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-
Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

You open your eyes and yawn mightily.

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3228h, 2648m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.

You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3823h, 2648m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-diag

You are:
punctured in the etheric substance of your aura.
under the influence of a love potion.
blind.
deaf.
suffering from epilepsy.

You remove 1 kombu, bringing the total in the Rift to 191.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 4p lrxkdb-
You eat kombu seaweed.
Your nerves suddenly calm down.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 4p lrxkdb-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
Trigger {herbalarm} removed.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-
The noxious cloud dissipates.

Clouds of sulfurous fumes rise up from the bowels of the earth.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-
You remove 1 kombu, bringing the total in the Rift to 190.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-
You eat kombu seaweed.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-look

Path carved through the wasteland. (road).
The corrosiveness of the taint sickens the land. The trail has been cut out of
the hard rocky field around it and is made of dislodged cobblestones. On
either side of the path, wide stretches of wasteland dominate the view, the
dirt parched and cracked in an intricate pattern. A stinking noxious cloud
floats here.
A duststorm obscures the rest of your vision.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 4p elrxkdb-stand
smash left Borca

You are not fallen or kneeling.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
Nothing can be seen here by that name.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
Trigger {herbalarm} removed.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

You open your eyes and yawn mightily.

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-charge Borca n
charge Borca ne
charge Borca nw
charge Borca s
charge Borca se
charge Borca sw
charge Borca w
charge Borca e
charge Borca d
charge Borca u

You are prevented from doing that by the magical shield around Servant of the
Lith, Borca, Melee Connoisseur.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.

You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-w

You begin to slowly clamber over the rubble that blocks your way.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
A deep, foreboding hum emanates from the tainted earth, and then you are
suddenly slammed into the ground by an irresistable force.
The white mist here washes over you in a wave of ghostly tendrils.
A sudden shiver shoots up your spine, making you involuntarily jerk as a
creeping sensation crawls over your skin.

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdbp-
Dust clouds rise as the earth shifts and sharp rocks slide and bounce, some
flying into the air. You yelp in pain as several of them smash into you,
bruising your flesh and cutting your skin.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdbp-
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdbp-
You are no longer stunned.

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdb-
A violent tremor rocks the land, causing the earth to shake and the ground to
buck beneath your feet.

Both of your legs must be free and unhindered to do that.
darkchant ghost

Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdbp-
You are asleep and can do nothing. WAKE will attempt to wake you.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdbp-
You open your eyes and yawn mightily.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdbp-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.

You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3752h, 2718m, 3186e, 5p elrxkdbp-look

Path carved through the wasteland. (road).
The corrosiveness of the taint sickens the land. The trail has been cut out of
the hard rocky field around it and is made of dislodged cobblestones. On
either side of the path, wide stretches of wasteland dominate the view, the
dirt parched and cracked in an intricate pattern. A stinking noxious cloud
floats here.
A duststorm obscures the rest of your vision.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-e

There is no exit in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-n

Try as you might, you are unable to hobble past the heaps of rubble that block
your way.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-w

Try as you might, you are unable to hobble past the heaps of rubble that block
your way.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-
Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

You open your eyes and yawn mightily.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.

You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-
A deep, foreboding hum emanates from the tainted earth, and then you are
suddenly slammed into the ground by an irresistable force.
The white mist here washes over you in a wave of ghostly tendrils.
A sudden shiver shoots up your spine, making you involuntarily jerk as a
creeping sensation crawls over your skin.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-apply mending to legs

Dust clouds rise as the earth shifts and sharp rocks slide and bounce, some
flying into the air. You yelp in pain as several of them smash into you,
bruising your flesh and cutting your skin.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-
You are no longer stunned.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrxkdbp-
Your limbs begin to jerk and shake uncontrollably, and you begin to foam at the
mouth.

You remove 1 kombu, bringing the total in the Rift to 189.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrkdbp-apply mending to legs

You eat kombu seaweed.
Your nerves suddenly calm down.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrkdbp-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.
The bones in your right leg mend.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 6p elrkdbp-
A violent tremor rocks the land, causing the earth to shake and the ground to
buck beneath your feet.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-w

You begin to slowly clamber over the rubble that blocks your way.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

You open your eyes and yawn mightily.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
You may apply another salve to yourself.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
Trigger {herbalarm} removed.
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.

You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3801h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.
The salve has no discernable effect.
3801h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
Fumes rise up from the tainted earth and make you cough. Ugly cankerous sores
break out on your skin, dripping with pus.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
Borca takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his head.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
Borca's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
Borca raises his arms and a gust of wind slams into you.
You are hurled to the north.
Cracked and dry field.
The ground here is parched and cracked, the dull brown haze of loose dirt
stretching in every direction. A slow breeze drifts through the area, moving
the dust in the air in strange patterns. A gruesome scalp lies decomposing on
the ground. A taint wyrm is coiled on the ground here, spoiling the air with
its corrosive stench. A stinking noxious cloud floats here.
A duststorm obscures the rest of your vision.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrkdbp-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdbp-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
Trigger {herbalarm} removed.
stand
smite up Borca

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You are not fallen or kneeling.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
Nothing can be seen here by that name.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-charge Borca n
charge Borca ne
charge Borca nw
charge Borca s
charge Borca se
charge Borca sw
charge Borca w
charge Borca e
charge Borca d
charge Borca u

You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You charge to the south.
Path carved through the wasteland. (road).
The corrosiveness of the taint sickens the land. The trail has been cut out of
the hard rocky field around it and is made of dislodged cobblestones. On
either side of the path, wide stretches of wasteland dominate the view, the
dirt parched and cracked in an intricate pattern. A stinking noxious cloud
floats here. Servant of the Lith, Borca, Melee Connoisseur is here, shrouded.
He wields a tower shield in his left hand.
A duststorm obscures the rest of your vision.
You slam into Borca.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
You don't see your target in that direction.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

You open your eyes and yawn mightily.

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-stand
smite up Borca

You are not fallen or kneeling.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elrxkdb-
Letting an insidious draconic flail droop, you suddenly heave it up at Borca.
You smite him in the gut, knocking the wind out of him.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elxkdb-stand
smite up Borca

You must possess balance in order to do that.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p elxkdb-
Letting a gruesome flail of spiked merian skulls droop, you suddenly heave it
up at Borca. You smite him on the right leg, leaving only a red welt.
Horror overcomes Borca's face as his body stiffens into paralysis.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdb-stand
smite up Borca

You must possess balance in order to do that.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdb-
Your left arm is off balance.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdb-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.

Borca takes a drink from an amethyst vial.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdb-
You take a drink from a sapphire vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdb-stand
smash right Borca

You must possess balance in order to do that.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdb-
Your left arm is off balance.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdb-stand
smash right Borca

A deep, foreboding hum emanates from the tainted earth, and then you are
suddenly slammed into the ground by an irresistable force.
The white mist here washes over you in a wave of ghostly tendrils.
A sudden shiver shoots up your spine, making you involuntarily jerk as a
creeping sensation crawls over your skin.
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdbp-
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdbp-
Borca takes a drink from a ruby vial.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdbp-stand
smash right Borca

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdbp-
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3888h, 2718m, 3186e, 7p exkdbp-
Dust clouds rise as the earth shifts and sharp rocks slide and bounce, some
flying into the air. You yelp in pain as several of them smash into you,
bruising your flesh and cutting your skin.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p exkdbp-stand
smash right Borca

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p exkdbp-stand
smash right Borca

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p exkdbp-
You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p exkdbp-
You are no longer stunned.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p exkdbp-stand
smash right Borca

You have recovered balance on your left arm.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p elxkdbp-
You have recovered balance on your right arm.

You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p elrxkdb-
You suddenly perceive the vague outline of an aura of rebounding around Borca.
3228h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p elrxkdb-
Swinging an insidious draconic flail in an underhand arc, you strike at Borca,
but your swing hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. You receive
only a red welt from your right leg being smashed.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p elxkdb-
You must possess balance in order to do that.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p elxkdb-stand
raze Borca
stand
smash left Borca

You must possess balance in order to do that.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p elxkdb-
You raze Borca's aura of rebounding with a gruesome flail of spiked merian
skulls.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p exkdb-stand
smash left Borca

You must possess balance in order to do that.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p exkdb-
Your left arm is off balance.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p exkdb-
Your limbs begin to jerk and shake uncontrollably, and you begin to foam at the
mouth.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdb-
Borca raises his arms and a gust of wind slams into you.
You are hurled to the north.
Cracked and dry field.
The ground here is parched and cracked, the dull brown haze of loose dirt
stretching in every direction. A slow breeze drifts through the area, moving
the dust in the air in strange patterns. A gruesome scalp lies decomposing on
the ground. A taint wyrm is coiled on the ground here, spoiling the air with
its corrosive stench. A stinking noxious cloud floats here.
A duststorm obscures the rest of your vision.

Your left arm is off balance.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdb-
You remove 1 kombu, bringing the total in the Rift to 187.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdb-
You eat kombu seaweed.
Your nerves suddenly calm down.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdb-
You must possess balance in order to do that.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdb-
Your left arm is off balance.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdb-
A violent tremor rocks the land, causing the earth to shake and the ground to
buck beneath your feet.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdbp-
Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

You open your eyes and yawn mightily.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdbp-look

Cracked and dry field.
The ground here is parched and cracked, the dull brown haze of loose dirt
stretching in every direction. A slow breeze drifts through the area, moving
the dust in the air in strange patterns. A gruesome scalp lies decomposing on
the ground. A taint wyrm is coiled on the ground here, spoiling the air with
its corrosive stench. A stinking noxious cloud floats here.
A duststorm obscures the rest of your vision.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p ekdbp-
You have recovered balance on your left arm.
2804h, 2718m, 3186e, 8p elkdbp-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
Trigger {herbalarm} removed.
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.



But really, with the Kafe up, the constant falling asleep really didn't hinder me much, as I would just, wake and stand. However, as a Viscanti, I'm immune to the hunger stuff so I'm sure it would have been much worse, for non-Viscanti.

As a side note, Charge doesn't seem to take away balance... don't know if this is a how it's supposed to be or not so...

It's obviously not. A frequently abused bug, where the user just spams tackle untill it succeeds, regardless of the target resisting once or twice.

Charge not tackle, does not use balance when it GOES through... completely different thing than Tackle not taking balance on failures

Part of the same bug. Charge nor Tackle take balance when resisted, and Barge doesn't take it when it succeeds either, I guess.

Did a little testing with the three mover skills, here's what I found:

Tackle: Takes balance when it works, doesn't when it is resisted. The person must be standing for it to work.

Barge: Takes balance both when it works and when it is resisted.

Charge: Takes balance when it works (In the log, charge never worked, i.e Borca was never knocked down), doesn't take balance when it is resisted. It is always resisted when there is no room in the line of sight for you to carry them off into, however you still travel to them.

Those are the facts ma'am, just the facts.

So Tackle and Charge are the bugged ones. People love to spam tackle till it succeeds.

I don't know that the charge one is really bugged at all, it's like a line-of-sight flow that doesn't take balance, when it's resisted. Quite a bit like a sprint really, stopped by all the same things, does the same thing. Infact I could probably rig up a way to use squint and sprint to have the exactly same effect using my system.

Tackle though, I have to agree, seems like it should be changed.

And Tuek your signature still hypotizes me... but it's better than that P-O-T-A-O-E-S one you had, I must have started at that for at least 5 minutes straight.

P-O-T-A-T-O-E-S

Hunger is extremely unbalancing in the arena. The main reasons being the only cure for hunger, foods, is used up inside the arena. Furthermore, even if you did consume the foods, they do not return to you when you exit the arena, and instead place your status back to before you even enter the arena.

This is why hunger was changed to not work at all inside the arena in Achaea, mainly because people that can whore hunger will ultimately always end up the winner, Amaru went through 19 food platters before he had to heartstop or face dying to a Geomancer by going unconscious due to hunger. No such thing was ever done to sleep because Lusternia is the first IRE game that actually allows people to cause others to feel tired.

I propose that all hunger abilities should cease functioning inside the arena, but not sleep abilities since Dreamweaving centers so much around it, also because anyone can cure sleep by taking a short nap, even inside the arena. But you can't do the same for hunger.

Drink love and hope the end involves hot sex instead of your death?

Just happened to me too, I am extremely un impressed at the power of blackout+the stun+ falling asleep constantly, for some reason my Kafe wasn't letting me wake up instantly..must of lost it during a blackout. I died to the damned demesne alone basicly

The sleep stuff seems a little nasty. Maybe take a note from Idrasi predation from imperian. They can "Secondwind" to double the length of time they can stay awake before needing sleep.