Let's get rid of the ability to taint/flood Ethereal. I can't forest Earth or water. Neither part. Why should they be able to flood/taint a part of mine? Thanks!

good idea.

I just said that to you. Idea-Thief! GET HIM!

This idea's been around forever...

Mmm probably something to do with how the planes progress as they reach further out. The Ethereal comprises all aspects of nature, therefore it can be affected be all aspects of nature. Unlike the elemental planes which can only be fiddled with by their respective elements?

Hmm my theory falls apart right about here so just ignore me.

NO TAINTING FAETHORN!

Then why not the Etherwilde and Glomeal? Thought so.

I did say my theory falls apart right about where I started to think about it . Stupid unreliable theories.

While we're restating ideas and opinions on ethereal demesnes, Faethorn should really be a neutral type forest that requires both sides to forest before melding.

Or even better, make the Hartstone demesne type specifically a purified forest, so they can only meld Serenwilde without purifying it first. As it stands the only thing the Blacktalon can meld is Glomdoring, on prime and ethereal. Hartstone can automatically meld any other forest in existence, except for Glomdoring. Granted, to my knowledge this only means Serenwilde, Faethorn, and Estlebar, but that's still more that we have. Plus it makes it more convient for when/if Ackleberry comes back if each commune has a specific terrain, rather than Serenwilde getting by default everything not allocated to one of the other two.

Note to angry people who think I'm stupid: I do play a Blacktalon character. I am biased. I do understand that the admin have better things to do. I don't care. I wanted to say it anyway.

Where the hell does "purified" come into this? It's a natural forest. Glomdoring isn't natural, and thus should have to force. Faethorn is a natural (ethereal) forest, and so is Hartstone. Ours is only pure if we have to forceforest a naturally tainted forest room.

Your best arguement would be "When Night has control of Faethorn, we should meld without having to Infest.." which might work.

And Estelbar isn't natural forest. It's a village. We have to forceforest.

Ok, Ethereal Glomdoring, is basically the essence of GLomdoring, it represents GLomdoring, and it's where it is the strongest, Ethereal Serenwilde, is same, yadda yadda yadda, hence why they cant Taint/Flood Eth Glom or Serenwilde, Faethorn how ever is not either, it is a forest, forest has earth to grow in, thus you can taint it, it has water in the ground, thus you can flood it, and it has insects somewhere, hence why you can infest it, it also is a normal forest hence why Hartstone can automatically meld it without foresting first.

The reason you cannot forest/flood Earth is because it basically is one of the essences of Taint, the two being Nil and the Megalith, which earth is connected to, as Faethorn -isnt- connected to a Nexus, there is no super cool magical force keeping it a certain way, thus why Eth Glom and Eth Seren cant be flooded/tainted, cause the respective nexii are like continuously pushing out their force thing.

And it's the same with the Water Plane, Pool of Stars, water, yeah, you get the picture.

The part about when Night controls Faethorn, which will probably never happen, might be true, but hey, as i said, it'll never happen so we probably wont find out.

Also i'm pretty positivly sure, that when Ackleberry comes back, maybe... it will be like a different type of forest, maybe a watery forest, since you know, they follow Lady Lake, so they'd like force-somthing- it and it'd be like a rain forest maybe, humid and such.

I very much like the idea that if Mother Night has control over Faethorn, it switches to a default tainted forest. When Mother Moon has control, it is a natural forest. That would certainly "even the score" so to speak.

However, I want that damn quest item for the sceptre taken out of Ethereal Glomdoring if this happens. That's their "bonus" now that is supposed to even it out.

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Screw these theories, game balance is the greater force. The reason you can taint/flood Faethorn has nothing to do with the Elemental Planes. There is nothing on the Elemental Planes. It has to do with Nil/Celestia. I honestly think it would be fair if you could not forest/flood/infest Nil and you could not taint/forest/infest Celestia.... if this would happen, then game balance would favor you cannot taint/flood Faethorn.

I really don't like the Lady Lake name. It makes me twitch imagining the soon to come Mists of Avalon, King Arthur, Excalibur, and the ever famous Monty Python cliches.

Actually, the more I think about it the more it becomes obvious that Ackleberry is hugely unlikely to come back in the same state it left precisely to make SOME kind of difference between Serenwilde and itself.

Back on topic: What? It has earth in it, so you can taint it? Well, how come you can't taint Celestia then? I'm pretty sure I stand on earth and stuff there too. Quite apart from that, it KILLS the TREES so the fact that the forest needs earth to grow in is completely irrelevant.

Anyway: the point is this. Faethorn is an area we cannot guard that holds significance to us both by mechanics (the Fae are there for our power quest in the same way as essence is there on earth - it CAN be taken away, but it grants us more benefit (we get more power from it, and essence's parallel is the ease of its conversion - Magnagora doesn't have to go out of its way to twist it) and by roleplay (our duty is to defend the Fae, etc.) Glomdoring obviously has the first reason in parallel and can probably pull another out of their shoes if required for the latter. SAME as earth and water. But we can't forest them, even though we can forest the sea and whatever else.

Damn it, my theories were sound, though the reason you can basically taint/flood and will be able to volcanize? and Aeorize? Faethorn is because it is no mans land, though it can be following Night or Moon. Basically it's because Eth Seren is your cosmic plane... on Ethereal, same for Ethereal glom, that's where we're strongest really.

Yes, i agree, they should have Lady River, so their wiccans can RIVERDANCE!

Ohh and there's the fact we can Guard Eth *place* Better then they can guard both their planes.

You can taint Celestia... the argument would be best made that there is just as much "earth" in Ethereal Serenwilde as any other forest... can't taint there.

You can? Huh. Oh well. I thought it was changed so that you couldn't. Nevermind that part then. The rest stands.

Yes there is earth there, but the fact is the essence of Serenwilde/Celest in Celestia is the strongest on that plane, thus is repulses the taint from entering the ground.

Why are Ethereal Serenwilde and Ethereal Glomdoring more resistant to Taint than Faethorn? That doesn't really follow.

You can taint in Celestia... wtf have you people been when Magnagora killed the Supernals?