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- Added an auto-declare system, just add the alias DECLARING in front of your offensive aliases and if you haven't declared or enemied your @target yet, it will declare and enemy automatically.

- Curing efficiency is massively increased and sped up by various means, like the code for cure aliases and affliction, diagnose and cure messages has been drastically changed and improved. For example, only one alias for each kind of cure, like herb, salve, smoking, elixir. Hundreds of IF checks have been removed and replaced by simple yet more effective scripts. An example of another change:



- New messages and new afflictions given by psionics, pureblade masters and axelords have been added, such as: amputated limbs, opened chests, sliced biceps, cracked elbows, cracked kneecaps, omniphobia, bursted vessels, deadened mind, locked legs, locked throat, etc...

- The changes to regeneration delay have been implemented for flawless and smooth processing.

- The new cured messages for both the old and new afflictions have been implemented.

- A whole new and overhauled parrying and stancing system has been implemented, to protect your limbs based on your wounds status rather than which limbs are getting hit. If you're getting pinlegged for example, the parry won't move away from that leg untill it's healed above a point of being able to get pinned.

- Changed the autosipper to use bromides and sparkleberry to keep up your ego.

- Whole new graphics layout, mana and health bars to track your status real-time, buttons for metawaking, selfishness, holding breath, rebounding, clans and the option to handle love as a defence.

In the past few months, I've literally spent hundreds of hours working on improving the system for my customers, keeping them all updated, customized and assisting them with whatever problems they had...

This path is impossible for me to keep, since in the time I do all this, I could just stop selling the system and updates alltogether and find me a full-time job, which'd get me alot more credits and satisfaction. Hence for all except the people that only recently bought the system, this huge upgrade is going to cost 30 credits, though the updates from then on will be completely free again, I doubt that (hope not) I'll have to make an update of this magnitude again.

The price for the entire system remains at 100 credits. To get updated, message me your email address together with the 30 credits, or send me an instant message over aim.

Dude, you're in the Dark Carnival and Shikari's order?

Hook me up, man! Help a brother out.

I've made another update, fixed the stupid scalp bug and some triggers, next to various other minor bugs, send me an IM over AIM:

Forgot to add something:

#alias {r} {rmsg}

Type that into your command bar and enter, that'll fix those annoying misstells.

How does that fix those annoying mistells

are you reachable on anything else then AIM? my campus firewall blocks it.

My lusternian system will remain fully supported in Lusternia, but can now also be purchased for achaean credits, at only 50 credits.

I note one basic flaw in this theory - it's all work you'd probably be doing anyways, to keep up with the combat you engage in, in Lusternia. It doesn't take 'hundreds of hours' to make a mailing list, and simply mail it to whoever's sent you the credits, whenever you update your script for your own needs. It takes about five minutes to set it up initially, and then every once in a while add a name to the list.

Which leads me to be curious as to why anyone would beleive -this- claim that "free updates forever!" will be honoured, when the first such advertisment of such clearly is not.

Surely Thorgal doesn't give us all the same system he uses himself???? He blatantly gives us a slightly worse one with holes in, so he can beat us IG when he has to.

actually I'd say the system he uses is actually worse than his one he sells, because the poor bastard only have a 450 Mhz PC, and thusly has to have one that is simple and fast so he doesn't get lag.

I note one basic flaw in your argument, and that is that you are an idiot. Thorgal has been providing his system for sale with its updates and support since open beta, and the ONLY time he asked for people to pay again was when we had that HUGE lot of envoy updates and new skills that virtually changed the face of combat and curing (at least mechanically wise) across the game.



Murphy is right, the system that Thorgal uses is strictly worse than the one he sells, and considering how willing he is to help ANY of his customers patch any holes or vulnerabilities they notice in the system to their satisfaction, you too fall into Ixchiligal's basket.

Let's be fair:

The advertisment reads: free updates forever.

This updated costs $$$

Therefore, they aren't free forever. That's cool and such, but you shouldn't market it as "free forever" when it isn't.

Have any idea how many free updates I provided? Several hundreds.. I spent 7+ hours a day supporting customers for free, most people don't even play that much hours a day, let alone work for others. If I would be physically capable of working, I'd take a job and make thousands of credits instead of 30 credits on updates once.

Moot point, one is all you need to prove false advertising.

1) My computer is slower than thorgal's.

2) The implies that I am joking. That means I don't necessarily mean what I write, by the way.

3) Piss off.

4) I love Thorgal. When he states that he spends 7+ hours on his clients per day. 6 and a half are with me - I am a total incompetent, and my zmud has broken more than any zmud should, simply because I keep screwing it up. Thorgal has tirelessly sorted it out every single time. Thus, I am not joining in the personal attacks.. Thorgal makes Aiakon look like he can kinda fight. Kinda. And for that Aiakon is enormously grateful.. and very much more than to the value of 100 credits. If Thorgal wants to charge, I'm absolutely not going to try to stop him.

Doesn't matter how many you provided for free. That was your obligation as that is what you promised to do. Now you are charging for an update and advertising that they will be free again after that. Why should anyone believe you? You couldn't honour your original promise of free updates forever.

I personally don't care what you charge, or when you charge it as I will never buy a system. However, if you are going to lie to your customers at least be man enough to admit you did.

As per usual, Gregori, you are dealing with absolutes. You seem to be philosophically incapable of treating each situation as the situation demands, preferring instead to take refuge behind sweeping rules, irrelevant of individual variables. Though Asarnil branded me an idiot, he still made a very reasonable point.



Thorgal's upgrades are becoming too time-consuming for him. He's just had to do a really big one. He charges. Sounds fair to me.

Would you prefer it if he never made any upgrades ever again so as not to renege on his promise?

Perhaps you would prefer it if he didn't call this 'upgrade' at all, but a 'super upgrade'. "Ah!", Thorgal could argue, "I promised Free upgrades, and you have them! But this is a SUPER UPGRADE, and unfortunately they're not free. Sorry, but I never said they'd be free, only the ordinary ones."

The peculiar thing about you is that that would probably be fine.

When Thorgal said he'd give FREE UPGRADES, he meant it. Therefore he did not lie. He said that he would give FREE UPGRADES, he intended to give FREE UPGRADES. There was no lie there. Now he has charged. Did he lie? No. Has he broken faith? Perhaps, but that is a different matter. Furthermore, it is a matter that practically everyone here is prepared to forgive. Everyone, that is, except his personal enemies, who are simply too pusillanimous to resist taking a snipe.

Shame on you.

Okay, okay, we get it. It should read "Updates are usually free, and you will get them often, as well as personal help and support, but every once in a while if I made a Major time consuming adjustment, the huge addition might cost extra."

We good now?

Edit: You ninja'ed me, and you're pretty much spot on, imho.

Actually, I know people who have bought his system under the "free upgrades" who are not happy with the fact they now have to pay for one.

Any business that makes a promise of good faith and does not hold to it is liable to be asked "what makes you think this time you will hold to your promise?"

Nor am I a personal enemy of Thorgals, at least I don't view myself as one. Him and I disagree alot of times, but I hold no personal enmity towards him. In fact we quite often discuss things in a friendly nature as well.

The only thing pointed out is he made a promise that he would provide this service to his customers and went back on it. Since I am not one of his customers this has no bearing on me what so ever, but don't expect those customers that it does affect to be happy about it.

So if you want to try and say the only reason people are mad about this is because they have some personal hatred for Thorgal, then you should get your facts straight.

Plain and simple truth though is Buyer beware.. if it seems to good to be true, it most likely is.