Perhaps something around Rift in Planar, that'll do, I don't know, 450 damage or so to ghosts and dreambodies? Make it work on people without the usual vision skills, just requiring you to know the *name* of the person for it to work. So they can do something to you without being nearly trans in high/low magic. Or having psionics.

Or we could move the attacks down in Low/High magic if it's really a big issue. If um.. we're on the same page.

Nah, I like the planar idea better, because to move stuff down would bump other stuff up, and that might result in me not being to enchant mercy again, and then I'd have to cry.

And bumping down the colors in Lowmagic would set the rainbow out of order. You can't switch the chakras around either because they correspond to a part of the body like the crown.

I've tried hitting your ghost body with my psionics and it won't let me.

As far as I know, you DO only need the name to attack with Kether/Violet/Psiblade(?)/Burst. It's just you have to know they're there or you won't think to hit them.

If this is done, make it so you can actually kill someone in Dreambody, so there's actually a -point- to it.

Ugh.. my original message didn't go through so this one might look incomplete due to laziness.

If that's the case then I don't agree with this idea at all. Despite the high level of the High/Low magic equivalents, Burst in Dreamweaving and Psiblade in Psionics are readily available to combat Ghosted (Decently High Necromancy) and Dreambodied (Inept Dreamweaving) individuals for the guilds that they're available to. Creating a lower ability just for the sake of lessons (Albeit weaker) just doesn't appeal to me since it takes away from the specialty of the other two archetypes. Pre-prepared eye sigils are also a method of prevention in some cases.

Might as well throw Phase in Environment.

Can't you spy wherever you like and afflict easily though?

1) As long as nobody closes a door, has a chandelier (Or other things that'll spot you), has their own Dreamweavers randomly checking for sleeping people, and you're willing to run out of Willpower in a few minutes....sure!

2) Hehehe.....that makes me giggle.

I agree, adding ghosts to the list too.

Hmm, a couple of ideas for making dreamweaving more useful then:

1) Encouraged sleeping. If someone is not asleep when the time rolls over from exactly midnight to the next phase (deep night?), they decrease in tiredness by two levels. (Liches, and followers of moon/night totems are exceptions - they have the same problem if still awake at the rollover from exactly noon to afternoon). This is easily avoidable - as soon as you see the deepest midnight message go to sleep for a quick nap - and it won't require long periods of boredom as a more realistic sleep function might. This would mean that it is in everyone's best interest to sleep during this time, and give dreamweavers an opportunity that probably doesn't exist right now.

2) More insidious dream-work. What about forcing a victim to dream of being tied up - forcing them to writhe before being able to wake up? What about being able to drain their willpower while sleeping with some illusory dream (that you can create). Or being able to boost it in a similar manner? What about sucking your victim, bodily, into the dreamworld - leaving them helpless for a time until they are able to find another dreamweaver to pull them back into the real world?

I did not quote you though, did I?

And as long as there's anything interesting going on. I mean, what would be the point of dreamweaving to spy on something useful or interesting?

Thank goodness for Gods who like making a skillset useless so they can stand around doing their organization's work for them.

I think he was referring to Shikari killing Elryn for dreamweaving at the Ravenwood, because Glomdoring can't look after itself and needs a God to do their work for them.

It rather nullifies a skillset when Divine just play the trump card time and again and this isn't the first time it has happened.

Yeah that didn't make much sense..

Was Shikari there and visible? If not then I agree. That is a pack of stinky flaming doo doo.

He was incredibly visible, and active, and talking to mortals, at the time.