This is a recent conversation I had with a novice Serenguard regarding bashing, I just wish there was something I can do to help.

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Castien tells you, "May i ask you something."

You tell Castien, Seren Brave, "Sure, go ahead."

Castien tells you, "Am I supposed to be so weak i can barely kill a weevil? I
assumed that even the weaker races wouldn't have so much a problem to kill
things."

You tell Castien, Seren Brave, "It is unfortunate that we don't reach our full
potential at lower levels."

Castien tells you, "You realize it's beyond depressing."

You tell Castien, Seren Brave, "Yeah, it's quite annoying. It has been brought
up a lot of times."

Castien tells you, "And does it get better?"

Castien tells you, "Or should I just go along with what my mate is, become her
class, and kill these stupid things in one hit."

You tell Castien, Seren Brave, "Yeah, I know your pain. *mutter*."

You tell Castien, Seren Brave, "All I can suggest is to hang in there."

Castien tells you, "So, it's that bad even at higher levels?"

You tell Castien, Seren Brave, "No, at the higher ends we excel greatly."

Castien tells you, "Well, i shall try to remain...however it's not fun in the
least...I feel like my points were sprad all over....and that i'm concentrating
in nothing except making myself so average in all areas, i cannot even utilize
anything."

You tell Castien, Seren Brave, "*nod* I understand what you mean. Please bear
with it for a bit, changes are hopefully going in."

Castien tells you, "It just doesn't seem worth it..."
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I have asked in my Envoy report this to be looked at, but I really hope the admins can recognize this is something that is incredibly frustrating for the newer players. It is not only unfair to novice warriors, but it also drives some away from Lusternia.

Cry for the novices,
For we know their pain,
Yet can do naught.

Cry for the novices,
Our lifeblood,
and
our undoing.

Cry.

A poem by Guido Flagg.

I thought we fixed this so that warrior novices will hit their targets 90% of the time.

Are they useing the lower end clubs and shortswords, which bash better against mobiles?

I just went and saw him bash, he's a Furrikin with two clubs.

Club 1- Damage: 68 Precision: 89 Speed: 126

Club 2- Damage: 76 Precision: 73 Speed: 133

Covered in wood pulp, a giant red weevil scuttles in, its long proboscis waving
in the air.
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Much used track.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth.
Reaching up as high as the eye can see looms the awesome presence of a living
totem. An oak sapling clings tenaciously to the ground here. Among the leaves
and twigs, a giant red weevil scuttles about here. Dedicant Kenta, of the Hart
is here. She wields a nature talisman in her left hand. Castien, Seren Brave is
here. He wields an iron-banded club in each hand.
You see exits leading north and southwest.
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Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. Castien's club
pounds through the air, missing completely.
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Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. Castien pounds
him, but it barely fazes him.
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You say, "I just want to see how well you hunt."
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A giant red weevil hurls himself against Castien's shield in a futile attempt
to harm him.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. Castien pounds
him, but it barely fazes him.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. Castien pounds
him, but it barely fazes him.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. Castien
powerfully pounds him, making him stagger back.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. Castien
powerfully pounds him, making him stagger back.
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With calm assurance, a large buck enters from the north.
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A giant red weevil hurls himself against Castien's shield in a futile attempt
to harm him.
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You suck thoughtfully on your teeth.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. Castien
powerfully pounds him, making him stagger back.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. With great
force, Castien pounds him with a resounding crack.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
A giant red weevil hurls himself against Castien's shield in a futile attempt
to harm him.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. Castien's club
pounds through the air, missing completely.
4465h, 4720m, 4210e, 10p, 21225en, 22500w elrxk-
Castien wildly swings an iron-banded club at a giant red weevil. With great
force, Castien pounds him with a resounding crack.
The blow continues into a giant red weevil's body, causing a sickening cracking
and mashing sound. A terrible rictus of pain twists his features for a moment,
vanishing suddenly as he falls, lifeless, to the ground.
A giant red weevil has been slain by Castien.
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The stuff in Newton dodges a lot too, not to mention that it takes a novice warrior two-three full sets of swings to kill something there, as opposed to a mage/guardians 1.

The problem isn't that they miss, its that they do about a quarter of the damage of mages/guardians.

An Igasho Druid with 9 INT will be able to kill a fink in 1 Nature Curse.
An Igasho Serenguard with 18 STR will take like 3 combos.

That just seems a bit.. wrong.

And then I asked the Loboshigaru Wiccan that was hunting with him, she says she kills the weevil in one Nature Curse.

Warrior Novices also do ridiculously pitiful damage compared to Mages and Guardians though.

It'd take usually around 2-3 combos to kill a fink, assuming all hits in each combo go through, compared to the 1 hit never miss of the other two classes. Sure they need mana to do attacks but it's really offset since Warrior Novices need health to bash most things and the other two classes don't take hits at all, so in the end it's the same cost to bash, cept that Warrior Novices get it a hell of a lot slower.

Sure they hit most of the time...but the attacks are so weak. I couldn't even imagine taking on a spectre or something as a warrior from what I've seen of warrior bashing..

Whats the stats on the weapons?

I levelled as a Novice with Masterwork Longswords and it still takes a painfully long time for stuff to die.

ouch. I know what that was like.

I cannot fathom why warrior guilds are incapable of teaching quests to their novices instead of bashing. In Celest, I brought my Aquamancer to level 20 three to four times faster than I could have bashing with blast (one hit kill on newbie mobs).

That shouldn't matter so much for bashing, especially when I gave my comparrison.. a 9-int Nature Curse should be the equivilant of an incredibly crappy weapon.. yet even that can wipe out all but the strongest weevil.

Sounds like mages and scholars would have the harder time bashing than Warriors then... no?

They shouldn't be forced to quest until they're decent enough to bash.

I have a huge amount of sympathy for any novice warrior...we really fall completely flat on our faces while hunting until we can trans skills. My suggestion is that Combat be tweaked slightly:

I think damage scaling should be removed from progressing through the Combat skill and given as a lump sum at Inept, so that all warriors would gain the damage scaling benefit of having transed Combat -- not any of the other benefits or abilities, just the damage scaling.

The reason I say is that when I was a novice warrior with nothing other than trans Forging and Combat learned...I could kill an old rat with one double swing as an Aslaran, and a black rat in two doubles. That's just about exactly where Cosmicfire and Blast fall. I don't think this would really increase the effectiveness of more established warriors, simply because ranks in Knighthood have so much more effect that many warriors still don't even realize they are getting a marginal boost from Combat as well.

Weapon stats don't matter nearly as much while hunting as most people seem to think. Strength and Knighthood trump whatever you are swinging.

Anyway, whatever solution eventually comes around, it will be welcome and greatly appreciated.

This doesn't have anything to do with experience, I'm talking about novice warrior bashing, it blows. And everyone else agrees, so I don't know what you're trying to say at all.

I feel greatly for nocvice warriors. when I was a warrior i had trans skills and good weapons so i didn't feel the pain

Perhaps make shortswords and clubs better forging on average, or perhaps have the newbie weapons or the bashing code to do more mob damage.

I had the unfortunate experience of watching a poor Ur'Guard trying to kill a young rat at the Megalith, and he managed to fill up a goodly portion of my buffer.