Protection scrolls against Fae/Demons/Angels

by Ashteru

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Ashteru2005-08-23 13:44:10
Well, as I said. Protection scrolls remove my main skill, practiacally.
It's like that, you can't argue against it.
So, I would like to at least be able to fight against the ones that are able to afflict me while doing damange, just like me. So, add protection against Fae/Demons/Angels in the protection scrolls.
Please? kiss.gif
Marcalo2005-08-23 13:52:59
yes make it even easier for me to raid, and fight against people!
Ashteru2005-08-23 13:54:49
Another idea: Remove protection scrolls completely. biggrin.gif
Nayl2005-08-23 13:56:23
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Ashteru2005-08-23 13:58:44
No hijacks! ninja.gif

I mean, come on. My demesne has squirrels, storm and thorns against you if you use protection scrolls. Fear them. And if you are on the ground, only storm hits you. Weee!
Shiri2005-08-23 13:59:28
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 23 2005, 02:58 PM)
No hijacks! ninja.gif

I mean, come on. My demesne has squirrels, storm and thorns against you if you use protection scrolls. Fear them. And if you are on the ground, only storm hits you. Weee!
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Learn dissolve. (I'm not sure where it is.) Protection scrolls are -nothing- if you have dissolve - in solo anyway. In teams you don't deserve to be overpowered. Stoppit.
Ashteru2005-08-23 14:01:30
Dissolve is around master...-.-

And now, come on. Why don't YOU learn dissolve, too, then?
And I AM not overpowered, damit...*sniffle* More the opposite..
Shiri2005-08-23 14:05:02
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 23 2005, 03:01 PM)
Dissolve is around master...-.-

And now, come on. Why don't YOU learn dissolve, too, then?
And I AM not overpowered, damit...*sniffle* More the opposite..
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Overpowered in team combat! Not solo, where druids need help...sleep.gif And because it doesn't -need- to apply to Fae, because they don't hit teams! I mean, I guess you can put it in if it has the -exact- same restrictions as the current one, and dissolve is also on balance and pretty much instant.

I was arguing with the "removes my main skill" thing. Which it doesn't!
Ashteru2005-08-23 14:08:17
Oh yeah. I have my cudgel left... glare.gif
No, I mean, come on. Someone puts up protection before they go into my demesne and wait for it's balance to come back. They go in, I flow. Then I dissolve/nullify allthewhile the entourage hits me. Then protection is put up again. Then I am hit again with the entourage. Then I dissolve/nullify again. Finally, it gets through once. Target is pulled up in the trees, maybe even gets hit by treelife and some afflictions - if they aren't smart enough to climb down straight again-. Mind you, I might be still off equi. Then, they protect/nullify again while I am afflicted like mad. then I try to escape in the trees, the follow me somtimes if they are Moon/Shadowdancer, or they simply geysire, hexagram me down again.
Then I usually die.
Shiri2005-08-23 14:15:45
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 23 2005, 03:08 PM)
Oh yeah. I have my cudgel left... glare.gif
No, I mean, come on. Someone puts up protection before they go into my demesne and wait for it's balance to come back. They go in, I flow. Then I dissolve/nullify allthewhile the entourage hits me. Then protection is put up again. Then I am hit again with the entourage. Then I dissolve/nullify again. Finally, it gets through once. Target is pulled up in the trees, maybe even gets hit by treelife and some afflictions - if they aren't smart enough to climb down straight again-. Mind you, I might be still off equi. Then, they protect/nullify again while I am afflicted like mad. then I try to escape in the trees, the follow me somtimes if they are Moon/Shadowdancer, or they simply geysire, hexagram me down again.
Then I usually die.
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So basically you're dying to the ents. That's not a fault of protection. And you know, it takes equilibrium PLUS a freaking 5 second delay to put up protection, and you can be doing stuff like cudgeling while off eq, so all the dissolve does is lose you like 2 seconds of time if you wanted to run away. Protection isn't viable to lose in solo combat and anyone doing it is silly as it just allows you to attack without losing anything. The entourage, whatever it is, is not hard. Fae are not hard to deal with on their own, nor are angels/demons, and the guy isn't doing anything because they're putting protection up.
Ashteru2005-08-23 14:28:46
I can't do freaking nothing while off-equi, believe me.
And actually I usually die to the Moonbursts that take half my health each...<.<
The entourage is hindering me, I mean, if it's the demon that gives anorexia/asthma or the fae that put me to sleep while I get aeoned by the Moondancer, it doesn't matter.
The point is, they couldn't hit me if I wouldn't have to get there to dissolve.

EDIT: Is it true that we aren't allowed to kill Fae in the arena? What's that? Another enforcement of the Moondancers to dominate us? whistling.gif
Shiri2005-08-23 14:38:32
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 23 2005, 03:28 PM)
I can't do freaking nothing while off-equi, believe me.
And actually I usually die to the Moonbursts that take half my health each...<.<
The entourage is hindering me, I mean, if it's the demon that gives anorexia/asthma or the fae that put me to sleep while I get aeoned by the Moondancer, it doesn't matter.
The point is, they couldn't hit me if I wouldn't have to get there to dissolve.

EDIT: Is it true that we aren't allowed to kill Fae in the arena? What's that? Another enforcement of the Moondancers to dominate us? whistling.gif
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You're off-balance, not off-equi. Different. You can still cudgel and vines and everything. Anyway, they can't put up protection if they're doing those things. That's the point. It takes equilibrium, and THEN a delay, where it takes you nothing but presence to take down, basically. And you can tank them for the 2 seconds it takes of being in the room (and that's if they didn't hit a briar wall or infused rune or something and get delayed, plus swarm for when their shield IS down) to dissolve a shield, you're not -that- crippled.
Ashteru2005-08-23 14:41:29
I -can't- cudgel off-equi. As I said, I can't do anything if I am either off-balance or off-equi. And as I said, it's easier, and often used, to flow to the one that entered my demesne, so I flow there, am off equi, then I can dissolve and then I can try to flee. And then, I'll repeat that after they put protection up again.
Shiri2005-08-23 14:46:27
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 23 2005, 03:41 PM)
I -can't- cudgel off-equi. As I said, I can't do anything if I am either off-balance or off-equi. And as I said, it's easier, and often used, to flow to the one that entered my demesne, so I flow there, am off equi, then I can dissolve and then I can try to flee. And then, I'll repeat that after they put protection up again.
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Do we have any druids/magi here and listening?
Yeah. tongue.gif
Okay, can you test if you can dissolve;staff?
yes?
Please happy.gif
no, but we can staff/dissolve
Ah, right

Not just cudgel, either, most of your moves (especially as a dreamweaver) are eq based. Runists probably have bad luck there. Anyway, if you're that, why would you dissolve and then flee? Are you going to try and kill them or not? The shields are there to stop you from hitting an entire army without even being there, and what you just said doesn't hinder you in solo combat, since the person will be losing eq every time they do it (and then a delay for the shield.)
Ashteru2005-08-23 14:52:28
Okay, so I flow there, and then cudgel...and it's hindered by the shield every sane person puts up that enters a demesne.
There's a reason I have a nullify/dissolve macro, believe me..
Shiri2005-08-23 14:57:57
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Aug 23 2005, 03:52 PM)
Okay, so I flow there, and then cudgel...and it's hindered by the shield every sane person puts up that enters a demesne.
There's a reason I have a nullify/dissolve macro, believe me..
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The exact same thing would happen to everyone else. Nullify/dissolve doesn't lose you any more time than nullify on your own, which is what Wiccans/Guardians have to do, so what's wrong with that?
Narsrim2005-08-23 15:08:39
Anyone who would request protection scrolls against Fae or Angels or Demons is smoking crack. The fact of the matter is that they only hit in one room and if we had dissolve too, they would be utterly useless since we could just attack/dissolve just like mages/druids. The difference for them is that protection is good against them in rooms they are not present.

When was the last time an archdemon tracked you down and attacked without the Nihilist. It just doesn't happen.
Ixchilgal2005-08-23 15:49:22
Then give mage/druids some protection. They weren't designed to be in melee combat, which is why most of their attacking skills work at a range. If they're going to be forced into melee, they need to be able to withstand doing it for more than two seconds.
Archthron2005-08-23 15:55:29
Wait... so for the druid demesne to do anything but damage, the druid has to learn this dissolve ability, yes? First question being, what skill is it in? Second question being, what the Nil? It's nice that all these new tradeskills are being made, but it's not nice that All of them have to have some powerful item that makes it even harder to kill someone. Another few tradeskills and everyone with enough money will be invincible.

In fact, that's a good idea. A new tradeskill with no abilities until trans, where you learn to make a pendant of invincibility, which costs some 500000 gold to make but makes you invincible until it decays. It would certainly fit with the rest of the realm.

But seriously, I would like to know where this dissolve skill can be found, since it seems now all druids need to spend some 150 lessons to be allowed to fight again.