Let's say Vesar killed me and I have suspect on him. He then later floods a tainted room that I have created (NOT MELDED). By flooding this room, I now have vengeance on him....


That is retarded.


Is it possible to change it so that vengeance will only be given out if the room that is force flooded/tainted/forested is melded?

Yes this is really annoying, I first of all believe that the inner sea is anything but neutral to a geomancer making a demesne there but that aside, getting vengeance cause you are untainting with aquacast flood, is stupid.

really I'd love to see 3 things

1. inner sea enemy territory for all Magnagorians
2. Sea of Despair enemy territory for all Celestians
3. flooding to be a none agressive act. (unlike forceflood)

This could potentially be bad, as if it became enemy territory, I can just demesne summon whoever enters to the Sea into a bunch of guards. If they make it so you can't demesne summon across areas though, it should be okay...

Well since they already made demesne effects area only, it would be better summon was to. It would make it more fair towards wisp and the likes since those are also areabound now.

You also seem to forget that there are many things needed in both seas by both sides for various quests. If you make them enemy territory, it really hurts those people trying to do those quests.

considering those quests are to hurt the other side I do not see the problem.

The whole inner sea? Come on, it's a neutral area. Giving like 1/3 of the prime to New Celest is just crazy.

then just make it Avechna free, same death penalty as Astral

edit: accually I thought of something else, just make it avechna free when either Ladantine or Marylinth is raised so killing people that defend him won't give you Status.

I agree with Gerald. Flooding/Tainting/Foresting/Infesting a non-melded room shouldn't be an aggressive act against the person who had it previously demesned.

It IS an agressive act?

KIND OF. Not really. It's more like borderline. I can see how it would be aggressive if the place was melded (breaking a demesne, is an aggressive act). But if the room is just tainted/flooded/forested and if it's not melded? Getting vengeance status for that is really pushing it.

If it IS that way (I meant more of a code-perspective, as in, "breaking a room that is not melded can make you lose suspect/give avenger?"), then it sounds like a bug to me.

I think you misunderstood. If you break room that's not melded, you will be vulnerable to vengeance.

Then make it so any Geo/Aquamancer can do the summon in the respective terrain type. The skill is already 'fair' to Wisp by the fact that it's three Power instead of one, and only one person can do it at any given time...and it -requires- a lot of preparation work.

Wisp is stopped by Monolith Sigils (And I beleive, Shield), but it requires far less work to get prepared, and 50 people can be doing it.

Far less work only in Serenwilde.

Wrong less work -period-, because it requires -only- foresting, not foresting -and- melding. Which cuts the effort approximately in half (Or, if you want to argue that you need to insert saplings to guard those locations, then it's easily argued we need to put up Terrain for the same reasons - and thus, the work is cut by 1/3).

If the forest isn't melded, we don't know if you enter, therefore we can't know when to wisp you.

Woo, I'm in an example.

Yea, this has got to be a bug of some sort or an overlooked portion of code.

I just wanted to be able to flow, damit!
He wasn't even ON at that time!
And he doesn't even has that thing melded...great. Peaced for another day when the Mags decide to attack and put away all potential support...

2498h, 772m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15856w exk---/20:14:43.734/ (M: +645)
2498h, 772m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15856w exk---/20:14:44.031/ STOPPED KILLING
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Wandering amongst ramshackle lean-to buildings. (road).
The corrosiveness of the taint sickens the land. The bright sun shines down,
blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. The smell of frying fish wafts
through the air here, causing mouths to drool and nostrils to dilate
involuntarily with anticipation. The sounds of day-to-day life drift lazily out
of the hovels - a wailing baby, the giggles of happily playing children, the
scolding of a mother, and the non-committal grunt of a man, the universal
lexicon of language and noise found in any inhabited area, be it rich or poor.
You see exits leading northeast and west.
2498h, 772m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15856w exk---/20:14:46.406/
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
2498h, 2320m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15874w exk---/20:14:59.531/ nature flow kaervas

You cannot flow outside of a forest.
2498h, 2320m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15880w exk---/20:15:00.265/
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
2498h, 2320m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15880w exk---/20:15:00.609/ l

Wandering amongst ramshackle lean-to buildings. (road).
The corrosiveness of the taint sickens the land. The bright sun shines down,
blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. The smell of frying fish wafts
through the air here, causing mouths to drool and nostrils to dilate
involuntarily with anticipation. The sounds of day-to-day life drift lazily out
of the hovels - a wailing baby, the giggles of happily playing children, the
scolding of a mother, and the non-committal grunt of a man, the universal
lexicon of language and noise found in any inhabited area, be it rich or poor.
You see exits leading northeast and west.
2498h, 2320m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15880w exk---/20:15:01.000/
Avechna whispers in your mind a warning, and you stay your hand.
2498h, 2230m, 2890e, 10p, 12290en, 15860w exk---/20:15:01.968/ (M: -90)delcare

Pardon me?
2498h, 2230m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15866w exk---/20:15:04.703/
Avechna whispers in your mind a warning, and you stay your hand.
2498h, 2140m, 2890e, 10p, 12290en, 15846w exk---/20:15:05.265/ (M: -90)
(Serenwilde): Niara (from the Ethereal Plane) says, "You sure? I thought it was
Southgard."
2498h, 2140m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15846w exk---/20:15:07.171/ pk careful off

You will now attack anyone with no second thought. Use this setting with
caution!
2498h, 2140m, 2890e, 10p, 12300en, 15852w exk---/20:15:08.968/
The angry voice of Avechna whispers in your mind that Borca may seek vengeance
for your bullying.
You raise your arms and hum deeply the note of the forest. Around you, the
taint seeps out of the trees and plant life, which start to look greener and
healthier than before.

I told you to never turn that off
Theres some odd thing thats making us declare random people and stopping us from forest, flood, etc. Its acting as if unmelded rooms are melded.. then again Ive come across a tainted room and had to declare veonira even though she didnt taint it