Ok here's a log from thorgal (aslaran) with a lvl 1 EQ using web with my size being 18

Thorgal points a rope-like bracelet of silver at you, and sparks fly out of it.
Sticky strands of webbing spray out to cover you.


writhe
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:18.036/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:18.239/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:18.567/
You begin to struggle free of your entanglement.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:18.692/
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:18.895/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:19.161/ stand

Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:19.583/
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:19.973/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:20.177/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:20.380/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
(Market): Shiro says, "Welcome to the Ur'guard please read help guildnovices
ur'guard and the information listed on it."
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:20.770/ stand

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:21.005/
You have writhed free of your entanglement.
UNBOUND-GO-KILL
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:21.255/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:21.567/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:21.786/
Thorgal points a rope-like bracelet of silver at you, and sparks fly out of it.
Sticky strands of webbing spray out to cover you.

writhe
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:22.008/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:22.598/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:22.645/
You begin to struggle free of your entanglement.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:22.942/ stand

Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:23.427/
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:23.614/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:23.817/ stand

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:24.286/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:24.380/
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:24.614/ stand

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:25.067/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
You have writhed free of your entanglement.
UNBOUND-GO-KILL
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:25.333/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:25.473/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:25.770/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:26.098/
Thorgal points a rope-like bracelet of silver at you, and sparks fly out of it.
Sticky strands of webbing spray out to cover you.

writhe
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:26.167/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:26.817/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:27.005/

You begin to struggle free of your entanglement.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:27.395/
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:27.598/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:27.786/ stand

Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:28.411/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:43:28.614/ stand

You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:29.067/
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:29.364/ stand

You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:29.739/ 'ok enough

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:29.927/
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:30.130/
You say, "Ok enough."
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
Thorgal points a rope-like bracelet of silver at you, and sparks fly out of it.
Sticky strands of webbing spray out to cover you.


4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:30.567/
(Market): Raxilin says, "Oi."
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:30.786/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:43:30.973/ stand

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
You have writhed free of your entanglement.
UNBOUND-GO-KILL
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:31.380/ stand


4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:32.348/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:32.708/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:32.942/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:33.255/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:35.739/
(Market): Shiro says, "Erm.."
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:37.020/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:44.286/ 'keep going

You say, "Keep going."
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:46.489/
(Market): Amaru says, "Thanks Shiro."
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:55.927/
(Grunts): Daego says, "Thanks."
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:43:58.911/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:44:06.161/

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:44:21.442/
Thorgal points a rope-like bracelet of silver at you, and sparks fly out of it.
Sticky strands of webbing spray out to cover you.


4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:44:27.411/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:44:27.614/ writhe

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:44:27.880/ stand

You begin to struggle free of your entanglement.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp---/23:44:28.802/ stand

The bright sun shines down upon you.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrkp-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:44:31.192/
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:44:31.395/
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:44:31.536/ stand

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
Tight bindings cling to you, making that impossible.

4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp---/23:44:31.927/
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxkp-
You have writhed free of your entanglement.
UNBOUND-GO-KILL
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk-
4408h, 2175m, 2512e, 10p elrxk---/23:44:32.130/

i'm counting there, less than a second between unbound and web, it'd be even faster with tarot and hangedman.

I find this rediculous, that a newbie with rebounding (or angel on stun) can keep me pretty much perma-webbed where i'm incapable of mounting any offence whatsoever. You may disagree, but racial size is seriously rediculous, so is enlarge being able to be cast on another person.

Man, this has been the case since frigging IRE's conception. Since early Achaea, you could always get a noob to permaweb someone while you kill them. Seriously! This rant is pretty lame.

Couldn't the same be said about shieldstun? And a warrior can cut you with envenomed weapon simultaneously.

Awesome background commentary from Shiro there, by the way.

What about an artifact that cuts your effective size by half solely for web?

First, this isn't achaea, if i want achaea i'll go back to my grook monk for some chokage.

Secondly, my rant is that my size 18 is so much more slower than size 12, its both bad and wrong

EDIT: I want buckawn boots, avoid the web skill altogether. I hear vines is also faster than web, lame lame lame

The day we get artifacts which just bypass whole skills like buckawns, is the day Lusternia goes to the dogs, my son.

God I hope not.

Disabling a skill for everyone is not cool.

I said i WANT.

I agree it'd be bad for the game, same as a few other artifacts, however doesn't change my desire for them

Murphy, you run from enlarge.

Stop talking about combat.

ceres you are a total idiot, don't post again here. I remove myself from the room to re-diminish myself, asper the above log shows. Aslaran hangedman speed is enough to cut that down to 0 seconds where i can do something, or maybe down to .3 of a second where I can do anything but be bound. Of course i'm going to move away when you enlarge you fool. Its lame you kept on doing it, I have no respect for you what so ever.

Yawn.

You ectoplasm whore, run and run and run and run and run, and really don't even try to mount an offence.

The fact that you consider a skill that's 34 lessons into cosmic overpowered speaks volumes.

In the gaps, you could easily have tumbled out, diminished yourself, shieldstunned thorgal, webbed him back, whatever.

Total lack of fighting talent.

I consider being enlarged and webbed at size 18, and permawebbed with hangedman imbalanced to the very least.

At least i have the patience and ability to stick with one class, and not switch and swap based on what people think are strong classes. I used ectoplasm a grand total of thrice maybe?

Let me ask you, how does one mount an offence against perma-web and an angel without moving to be able to diminish?

at least my offence has flexibility and diversity. So far i'm the ONLY bonecrusher to be able to kill with wounds, I can even do it without using venoms (back when they were broken)

I ran and ran because, guess who kept enlarging me. It seems to me you can't handle or cure or parry or stance your way around my offence, so you have to resort to lame permaweb, all I really do is wait for the envoy reports to get looked at, and change race if it isn't fixed, which would be a real shame for my rp but them's the brakes

EDIT: Perhaps i didn't make myself clear, the log was just thorgal webbing me and me not doing anything, under test conditions.

Moreso, your accusations of me not having any talent (which is laughable YOU would even accuse that) only reflect your own insecurities about YOUR own lack of talent, you remind me of one of those little schoolyard punks, who heckle everyone else to feel better about their own pitiful selves

Don't make me post the logs of our spars and utterly shame you.

Y'know, you could break free from this by waiting, ohhh... 0.5 seconds before writhing if you're shrouded? Or maybe use Summer/Tipheret. Tumble/writhe, headslam/writhe. There's a number of things you could do to stop it.

Also note that they're doing -very- little while keeping you permawebbed.

hmm i seem to remember you jumping me and dying, here's a log in case you've forgotten - http://lusternia.ire-community.com/index.php?showtopic=5561

There is no shame, I wasn't going to accept fighting you while enlarged, hence stopping you from killing me. I don't see the shame, in fact you even inquisitioned me at the start (not to mention whoring shieldstun) and i was in water, you STILL couldn't kill me there and all i was doing was curing.

Post away your log of me not dying, and refusing to allow myself to be enlarged.

PS the reason i refuse to do it, is because i see it as imbalanced, and thusly take all measures to stop it from happening, those measures being to move away to re-diminish.

EDIT: Soll, a good webwhore waits to see you writhe out before rewebbing you, also I have a slow EQ, tipheret takes just about as long.

Minor hijack..but I gotta...

da Murphy. SHUSH Ceres.

Right, I'll go through this step by step, since I'm feeling bored.

Your assumption about hangedman being perma is just that.

Yes, you stay as one class. Well done. You don't have the inventiveness or creativity to come up with tactics for others, rather clinging with increasing desperation to a tactic that once ensured you wins.

You only used ectoplasm three times because you were too busy running. It actually constituted a great deal of your offence.

Angel hits once every 8 seconds. There are gaps between entanglements in which you can diminish, tumble, shieldstun, anything.

Your offence has zero variation. You hit the legs and head until you knockdown and/or mangle, and then start going for wind and bashbrains. As to your claim about being the only bonecrusher to kill with wounds..



You ran and ran even when I wasn't enlarging. If it's not enlarge, it's radiance, or dazzle, or cosmicfire, or amissio, or enigma, or wrath, or..

I didn't enlarge to get around your offence, since there was actually no offence to get around. Your poor choice of race (which I advised you against at the time) is showing, but my webbing was nowhere near permanent.

It being in test conditions makes it less accurate. Had you made an effort, you could easily have escaped Thorgal's webbing.

As to you not having any talent, it's quite apparent. I have been several classes, and performed consistently well in all of them, showing a creativity and ability to innovate in tactics. The sum and whole of your own ability has always been the rather sad combination of attacks I listed above.

It always amuses me to hear how insanely large her ego is.

I'd just like to point out - as lame as 18 size and perm-webbing is, I also think three people pulling off a crucifix/sacrifice combo is lame, too.

But that's different, right Murphy?