I was gonna ninja the chuchip thing but then i thought... nah

my question is who thinks ackleberry's great spirits are River and Tree, and who else can spot the inconsistency

I was thinking about this wouldn't it make sense for the third wiccan guild be aligned with sun because moon and night are both celestial and really it would seem odd to me if there was that shift from celestial to terrestrial (also astrology would be less sensible as they wouldn't be looking up to their spirit)

also if tree is their other great spirit this is odd when compared to the animal totems of seren and glom. that or it could be that lakewood refers to trout, thus also bringing a different walk of animal (seren - land, glom - sky, ackle - water)

anyone have any ideas

I thought their other spirit was Bear or something. I swear I heard that somewhere, but I agree that Lake is a bit silly when they could use Sun.

I've always been under the impression that the Ackleberry spirits were Father Sun and Sister Lake, though nowhere in the histories does it actually say definitively what they were.

Sister Lake and Brother Bear.

I'd rather have Sun and Bear, but eh.

hmm a sister spirit would make sense (gender equality and all its groovyness) but i'm not convinced the druids would go for a non-animal

where do they say that?

They don't. We were told it by Lord Auseklis ages ago.

Hmm...



So wouldn't that make Lake the Mother after all, since she has the wiccan coven?

Yes, it would.

so lake is the wiccan? if so thats getting lame, it makes no sense and will possibly link the guild with the aquas.

sorry just this is annoying me. it's completely illogical and not inline with traditional wiccan beliefs (sun and moon are constorts generally they are primarily called by a male or female respectively) as river would be considered a part of water

we don't go by traditional wiccan beliefs too much, especially since I think sun and moon are siblings in lusternia

and I think Lake is an aspect of River if I remember, with River being the youngest aspect.

what I really want to know is who Ackleberry will be pitted against.
Lusternia was designed for player conflict, Celest vs Magnagora, Serenwilde vs Glomdoring and from the histories Gaudigauch vs Hallifax.

so who will Ackleberry be against, split down the middle?

Edit: My first Ninja.

I have spent a lot of time trying to work this out and have reliased that the name of the Great Spirit is not always the same as the totem spirit they embody. So Lake is the Great Spirit of River, and White Hart is the Great Spirit of Stag.

And the Lake Coven won't be anything like the Aquas as they won't have demesnes - they are wiccans and will have fae and coven skills.

And since when did any of the wiccan guilds follow traditional wican beliefs? This is a game, things here don't have to make sense in the real world. The ethereal plane has places with upside-down trees.

Edit: 'd

erm you've never compared the moondancers to tradtitional wicca have you?

also my reference was to the use of water. we already have a guild linked with that element we don't need another

You REALLY don't know the tranditions.

Sun and Moon are lovers.
Like Moon goes through the phases (Maiden, Mother, Crone) Sun goes through the seasons (Youth, Young Adult, Mature, Oldage/death)
During Autumn or whtevr sun impregnates Moon then dies in winter being reborn within Moon the next spring starting agaub

We have three guilds dedicated to the taint. No one is going to freak out if there are two completely different guilds which both have a relation to water. And moondancers and traditional wicca are (apparently) very different. Then again everyone has their own version of "traditional" wicca these days so what anyone says on it is no more correct than the next person's, I suspect.

From what I know real wiccans don't have much to do with fairies and ethereal planes. Could be wrong though.

Aquas vs Lakes! They can fight each other over Lusternia's water resources!

Edit: Damn, where are my mugwump reflexes to help me post faster?

hehe there are admittedly various traditions but the moondancers follow the general idea.

also anyone got a skill list for night?

real wiccans do believe in calling on spirits like the fae (astral guardians, there is a tradition where by their rituals are meditations performed while holding a sword and staff.)

and if you were to consider some totems as gods you would be even closer. the ether thing could be the realm of the gregori's (astral)

Where did you get this from? Sun is in love with Night, not Moon. And Mother Moon goes through phases, which are the various faces of the Moon, and Sun goes through the Equinox, yes. But Father Sun is young and handsome, at least, it's how I've interpreted, as have others.

As to all of the stuff you're speculating - do like the rest of us, and find out IC.

And we don't have three guilds DEDICATED to the Taint. I'm getting tired of this. The guilds may be tainted, yes. But just because you're tainted, doesn't mean you're dedicated to the Taint. Granted, Magnagora does have a very thin line, but the Nihilists are dedicated to Nil, and the Geomancers are dedicated to Earth and..

Okay, who am I fooling? They all worship the Taint. They think they own the Demonlords, and look at them as sources of power, not religious icons.

As to this, you won't. You'll have one guild dedicated to the higher magicks, and the elemental plane of Water. It will be a guild of scholars and mages.

The wiccans are different. They're dedicated to the totem of the Nature Spirit Sister River, who is, indeed, one in the same with Lake. They're very, very different.

One's lowmagic, one's highmagic. One is, in a sense, godless (well, they have the Tidal Lords now), one follows a spirit. One is communal, one isn't. See? It works out.

'Sides, Lakedancers > Aquamancers.