Shryke2005-09-14 04:54:08
What stats should I ask for a mastercrafted claymore? I plan on having this one for my lusternian life... I'm paying dearly for it, so what stats should I well, demand?
-edit- scratch the claymore, I'm going with a katana... thorgal, I need ya here...
-edit- scratch the claymore, I'm going with a katana... thorgal, I need ya here...
Thorgal2005-09-14 09:08:22
Pureblade forging, especially for claymores, is bugged and totally messed up.. if you forge a batch of 100 swords, odds are not a single one of them will even reach the greatrune limit of 463 points.
A good katana will be something like: 160 360 225.
A good katana will be something like: 160 360 225.
Aajen2005-09-14 10:01:43
I'd assume waraxes are the same formula as claymores, and the average stats on those is soemwhere around 250-350-150 give or take 10 or so... this is actually quite generous, but still lower than the runing limit by far... I would guess the justification was: since a two-handed weapon is esentially two one-handers, the odd of getting a phoenominal 400 damage on an axe, is twice as more unlikely than forging one 200 damage one-hander. I don't quite agree that this works on the practical level as I'm at about 150 reforges and no weapon over 340 damage.
Shinza2005-09-14 11:23:29
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Sep 14 2005, 10:08 PM)
A good katana will be something like: 160 360 225.
I had one like that. Then I accidentally smelted it
And I'm glad to hear that it's not just me having a hard time with forging two-handed weapons. In something like 40 forgings of a katana, I had ONE katana come out with over 463 points (the above mentioned forge-fodder). In 9 forgings for a broadsword, I had 3, maybe 4, come out with stats over 463. Kind of depressing
Ekard2005-09-14 11:40:18
Something is wrong with claymore and other one handed sword.
I just forged this:
It is a two-handed weapon.
Damage: 248 Â Precision: 391 Â Speed: 152
A dragon-hilted claymore has no poisons or magical effects on it.
Shouldnt precision and damage be swiched?
I just forged this:
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It is a two-handed weapon.
Damage: 248 Â Precision: 391 Â Speed: 152
A dragon-hilted claymore has no poisons or magical effects on it.
Shouldnt precision and damage be swiched?
Thorgal2005-09-14 11:53:42
I'm regularly forging crap like this:
It is a two-handed weapon.
Damage: 232 Precision: 233 Speed: 160
A dragon-hilted claymore has no poisons or magical effects on it.
Wtf?
Out of my last batch of 220 claymores, I had 2 swords with stats above the 463 rune limit.
Me and Melanchthon, who forged many thousands of claymores already, messaged Roark about this bug/design flaw, but it was disregarded.
It is a two-handed weapon.
Damage: 232 Precision: 233 Speed: 160
A dragon-hilted claymore has no poisons or magical effects on it.
Wtf?
Out of my last batch of 220 claymores, I had 2 swords with stats above the 463 rune limit.
Me and Melanchthon, who forged many thousands of claymores already, messaged Roark about this bug/design flaw, but it was disregarded.
Shryke2005-09-14 22:18:10
my stats ended up as follows, how would you rate this katana?
Damage: 100 Precision: 307 Speed: 261
Damage: 100 Precision: 307 Speed: 261
Singollo2005-09-15 00:18:33
I mentioned it to Roark a long time ago. Two-handers forge drastically less than one-handers. If changes occur I really think its fair to refund everyone who managed to get greatrunes when or if they ever fix this.
Thorgal2005-09-15 08:58:08
QUOTE(Shryke @ Sep 15 2005, 12:18 AM)
my stats ended up as follows, how would you rate this katana?
Damage: 100Â Precision: 307Â Speed: 261
Damage: 100Â Precision: 307Â Speed: 261
186065
That's a score of 450, so it's crap.
Shiri2005-09-15 08:59:30
QUOTE(Thorgal @ Sep 15 2005, 09:58 AM)
That's a score of 450, so it's crap.
186380
... What? That's some kind of weird forging numerology, right? How do you get 450 out of 100, 307 and 261?
N.B - I have no clue about forging and weapon stats in general except that 200+ damage on an einhander is very good and rare, but I don't know how you get that number.
Thorgal2005-09-15 10:25:54
To get the score of a zweihander, you part damage by 2, precision by 2,2 and leave the speed, then add it all together..
or.. (dmg/2) + (prec/2.2) + speed
This is the alias I use:
#alias {limit} {#show {%eval( ( %1/2) + ( %2*5/11) + %3).}}
or.. (dmg/2) + (prec/2.2) + speed
This is the alias I use:
#alias {limit} {#show {%eval( ( %1/2) + ( %2*5/11) + %3).}}
Jairdan2005-09-15 10:29:47
I've got a question.. at what point character stat-wise would you recommend the change from Katana to Claymore? As in, Aslaran/Faeling should use Katanas, while Tae'dae, Igasho, etc should use Claymores.. but what about humans and trill? can they be effective as a speedknight, or should they go damage, or, as their stats are balanced, should they go for the balance of a greatsword?
Thorgal2005-09-15 10:35:52
I'm a trill, using greatsword.. humans should go for claymore, since they get much higher strength.
Jairdan2005-09-15 10:44:03
How do humans fair with Katanas? They have decent dex (though I hear it doesn't get much boosted through evolution), and seems like their strength would be a nice little boost to the lower katana damage.
Mainly, i'm just trying to understand a bit better how stattage relates to weapon effectiveness. Cause, through looking at things on paper, it would seem like a higher strength race would be good with katanas, as it seems like it would even out.
Just not so sure that that 'evenness' is at all what you actually want in a knight
Mainly, i'm just trying to understand a bit better how stattage relates to weapon effectiveness. Cause, through looking at things on paper, it would seem like a higher strength race would be good with katanas, as it seems like it would even out.
Just not so sure that that 'evenness' is at all what you actually want in a knight
Shryke2005-09-15 22:36:32
I was thinking about going with a greatsword, but everyone was like nooo, your a faeling! Get a katana! and so I just said.. eh whateva