I was just about to start a topic in the idiots forum, but I decided that complaining without proposing a solution was pointless. So.

I am very upset. I depend on influencing to get experience as I'm not good at bashing. I put a lot of lessons into getting skills to help with influencing. Now, suddenly, from being good at infuencing with level 3 eq, I've gone to being bad at it with 11 charisma.

Whacking stuff with swords:
Strength determines damage.
Constitution determines health.
Dexterity determines balance recovery (I think, but i'm useless at fighting so I could be wrong.)
Balance penalties also count.

Blasting stuff with fire:
Intelligence determines damage.
Intelligence determines mana.
Dexterity determines equilibrium recovery.
Equilibrium penatlies also count.

I propose in influencing:
Charisma determines damage (to ego of other person).
Charisma determines ego.
Charisma determines equilibrium recovery
Equilibrium penalties also count.

So eq recovery is affected by eq bonuses/penalties as well a charisma. Please? Even if its not as much as they used to.

Dexterity has nothing to do with recovery times. It only affects how often you dodge knight blows.

I sympathise, and maybe a free reincarnation wouldn't go astray, but charisma is supposed to be the prime stat for influencing.

Well, tell me what does then.

Equilibrium/balance racial bonuses. Lightning/Swiftstripes facepaints. Quickening.

It's been shown that influencing faster has a much greater affec ton the outcome than having high charisma ever did, though. Look at how much people complained about mugwumps in influencing (at least, I heard it a lot in game). It makes a heck of a lot more sense to me that a High Elfen, for example, be better at influencing than someone with 11 charisma.

So, I like the change. I don't see how it can be balanced otherwise, unless there are equilibrium/balance recovering enchantments I don't know about? Which is quite possible, I don't pay attention to many things.

Where are my mugwump brothers? Unite with me against thouse who would trample on us and render our fast equilibrium useless for influencing!

I'm saving my whining for when everyone complains about Mugwump speed so much that they get nerfed for it. Should be any day now.

Sorry Jitwix, if I had the 100 credits for a dagger I'd have already reincarnated by now. It sucks that I went from being great at influencing to bad at influencing but oh well, it happens.

Made perfect sense to me.

After all, it's hardly your mana or race that's influencing em, is it?

What does mana have to do with anything? Equilibrium doesn't deal with mana - it deals with how fast you recover from a mental action of some form.

As for race...yes, it still is race that affects influencing, really. Only, instead of Equilibrium recovery being a deciding factor, it's Charisma. Which, yes, makes a certain amount of sense, but then, it's arguable that just thinking -fast- and spewing out words too quickly for them to form a coherent counter-arguement is a viable tactic, too.

That's not a serious debate, though, or an attempt to sway someone to your side. That's diarrhea of the mouth. Do my forum posts ever come off as a 'viable tactic' in swaying you to my side of an arguement? No. There. Point in case. Next?

Eh, welcome to my world, orclach, i getta be damn slow cause of 8 cha, and even slower due to eq negs *heh*

Charisma should not determine the recovery from influence skills, but neither should eq bonuses or penalties have a effect. I prefer Kashim's idea of having it be determined by skill rank. Think that would be the best and most balanced solution. Also it would be nice if one of the admins would give us detailed info on how much charisma effects ego damage. I think that should be where charisma gives a bonus. A two fold boost in relevant endurance as well as power is enough for one stat.

I think it would be nice if this worked for combat too.

If you are trans in Magic, all magic attacks occur as if you had level 3 equilibrium bonus. If you are trans in Combat, all knight attacks occur as if you had level 3 balance bonus.

Nice sarcasm, but the same argument can be used against you. To be specific, would you think it was nice if str, dex, and con were combined into one statistic. And then balance recovery was changed to be determined by that one stat.

If that meant that whatever attacks depended on strength could never be used against me, nor anyone with low strength ever be disadvantaged by it, and in exchange those people with high strength were crappy at the real interactive combat mechanics dependent on intelligence/charisma... then sure.

Yes, but the difference is, you're an idiot, and obnoxious (Or at the very least, you act like an obnoxious idiot a lot of times). See, you never have anything worth saying, and therefore, it doesn't matter how much you say it, or how quickly you say it. People are still going to stand there and say, "You're full of crap."

On the other hand, if you're able to spew out valid arguements at a good rate, you're likely to cause people to stumble over themselves, as you move from one cutting point to the next, before they have a chance to offer any sort of effective rebuttal.

In that case, Charisma would affect how well you present your point (IE: Validity, wording it well, etc.), and Equilibrium recovery would affect how quickly you can raise new points, thusly discombobulating the person.

It isn't ment to be balanced, certain races have -always- had certain huge advantages over others in some aspects. Take me, I'm Elfen, I'll never be as good a fighter as Narsrim as a mugwump, ya-ya i hear you laughing, just put aside the players for the moment and focus on the charactors. I do like that Elfen have a nice bonus to influence. Maybe if I was an Orc I'd be upset... then again can you really see an Orc being a good influencer? They're ment to be good at killing things, not seducing villagers.

They did however say in the post that it was still under watch, if they think it needs some more changes, I'm sure they'll change it. And I would hope that no amount of random complaining on how your charactors are all utterly useless will change it.

Maybe we could *gasp* wait and *gasp* see what the next village uprising is like, before we all jump to conclusions.

Ummm... something broke, ignore!