Hi guys I just got an idea as I was pouring over with Arlent about how to structure our guild when it came to me:

How are we supposed to make a priest hood when the Supernals cannot interact with said cosmic guardians. How are we supposed to make a faith and lead a flock if we cannot assemble a religion outside of: Shakiniel says, " Innocence and purity are the most cherished things of the light and must be protected." Its so blah.

This is really the furthest any of the Supernals go in depth about how the Light is and how it reacts. If you want to develop a priesthood following said Supernals you need a philosophical way of integrating religion into guilds who are the said clerics of that city/commune. As such I feel we need more substance and depth from which to draw from so that people aren't making up stuff that the administration doesn't quite like pertaining to the story they are trying to develop. Like I heard some stories about a forest guild making a weird fae language that wasn't fae at all. We need rituals, holy scriptures and all of those things, however how can we say and develop something without knowing how to do them from the Supernals? But what do we make a ritual of? Is there some mystical energy that the Supernals have that other cosmic planes dont' have? Is there some divine teachings?

Its really hard from me coming from Achaea where each god has its own realm and can elaborate thusly however that is completely opposite in Lusternia. The gods have personalities that reflect their alignments to said realms. And the Cosmic planes at that are just shallow in comparison to what a god can do in terms of developing a said Ethereal and Cosmic plane. I would love it if the Supernals were real people and not static figure heads.

I suggest that an elaboration of the cosmic and ethereal realms be granted in order to add depth. How are we supposed to have holy texts and such things and interact with the Supernals and other entities and develop a religion when they don't talk back.

I don't know if this is a rant or not or if I was constructive I kinda rambled and may have repeated myself. I am just a bit frustrated on how to make it all work.

Mm. there's this little butterfly that comes to us in our hour of need.

It's called..

CREATIVITY!

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I think your butterfly had it's wings broken.

I think you also need to subscribe to the MSU standard of roleplaying. Make Stuff Up.

His point is, though, that the problem with making stuff up is he's not sure if it's in line with what they're expecting or not.

Kinda suck if they went into this whole thing and the admins are like - dude, no, that's TOTALLY f***ing off-track.

Most religious orders are pretty f'ed up, so I don't see how it would matter .

Well sorry it was really late when I wrote than now its even earlier. But the point I was trying to make was. The people representing said realms as far as Celest is concerned which are the Supernals do not interact with the citizens at all and they are just like wax statues. We could basically have the ideals of Goodness without having the Cosmic plane of Celestia. It just takes up space.

Isn't Lisaera like the mother of the fae or something like that? At least she shows interest in them. I haven't noticed that much interested in Celestia or the plane of Water. People just go there to bash for essence, pledge to supernals, or go to astral to kill more things.

I'm not stoned I promise.

This is an ongoing discussion and a point that's been plaguing celest for quite a while now. The supernals are half-formed, not Elder gods, like Lisaera. And to be quite honest, those "wax statues" are still a lot more then most cults and orders have to build their teachings around.

Avatars > Supernals!



*runsaway*

Most cults and orders don't have to worry about their icons stepping down and saying "Doh. You're wrong, wtf."

They can go with anything they like, base their beliefs around pretty much anything because it will never be proven right or wrong.

Yeah, why is there no symbol of Aesyra? And no supplicants worshipping her?

Hey, how about, you know, we glue Aesyra to Celestia, then you can worship her, and build your cult around her?

I think perhaps writing the books for the libraries will help. If the gods review and like the book, they are likely to make it part of the official history if it fits into the established perspectives.

The thing I wonder if Guardians are more like priests or thaumaturges. Both make pacts, but I wonder if it's the same as true worship, akin to most games clerics. And clearly the gods have more power than the supernals or infernals.

Personally, I'd also like to see Orders have special powers, not just the generic shrine powers. Maybe it uses order rank, maybe it uses skill points, or a combination, but I'd love to see something like this.

AB Order
ORDER
Hajamin
Lance --> Summon a golden lance to attack your enemies.
Goldlight --> Golden Light Disrupts Infernal beings.
Silverlight --> Silver Light Protects your body, mind, and soul
Lancestrike --> Strike your opponent with Rightous Anger
Fain
Masque--> The Masque of Fain makes your opponents fearful.
Bloodlight --> The Crimson light drains blood from your opponents.
Betrayal --> Make other denziens loyal to you.
Veil --> Shroud yourself from all detection

Plus, I'd love to see Mobiles that are Gods only...Fain might have his Dark Riders, Hajamin his golden winged angelic knights, Lacostian his umbral hidden watchers, Viravain her spider-demons.

Call me agnostic. Call me humanistic. Heck, call me a cab, if that's what you want. But I really I've always found it a huge letdown to actually interact with a "divine" NPC.

I like the "cult of Aesyra" idea way better than than animtating any MOBs.

Talk to the Paladins, they've managed to build up a hell of a lot of stuff.

And the Supernals do talk back. And they're not Divine.

I hate to sound harsh, but we're not going to hand-hold you through making your RP. Interestingly enough I've never heard any comments like this from Nihilists, and I KNOW they have a well-developed RP structure. Nor from the Moondancers, and the Avatars talk even less than the Supernals!

A religion based on a book? Whoever heard of such a thing! No more of this crazy talk!

Oh god I love you.

Totally seconded.

Open an order to Estarra or something!

Qaletaqa mentioned holy scriptures so I'll throw in my two cents. Originally, a great many of the books in the New Testament were letters written by Church authorities to congregations spread throughout the Mediterranean area. Over time, those letters and epistles were collected and put together with other similar documents. There were many instances in which the clergy got together to determine which books they would accept in the canon, meaning which books they accepted as official, and which they would not accept. Martin Luther didn't accept the Book of James for instance if I recall correctly. The point I'm making is that God didn't write any of the books personally and they were never intended to be taken as scriptural canon for centuries and centuries at the time they were written.

The point here as it relates to the issue at hand is that you do not need any of the Supernals to have scriptures. These things can be created easily by your guild leaders. There can be a special occasion wherein the leadership seeks the will and mind of the Supernals and then goes away for a time and when they come back, they've been hit with inspiration and they've written pages of scripture. Easy as gathering supplicants.

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Theres a reason those RP structures work, its because they have some solid foundations to base them off of. Celests Supernals all have very seperate dictims, which would imply that rather than one religious following, they would have many, with a united church of sorts combining all of the teachings into a single temple... The problem here, is that a lot of people have seen what happens sometimes when they acctually create something completely original, based off of very sketchy information... Enter DoC and the previous vision of Glomdoring... I've never really been a follower of the whole bandwagon there... But the DoC had a TON of acctual RP structure and time spent in developing it, and the admins came along and told em it was wrong...

Threes really no problem with that, except the admins waited untill the commune had acctually been raised before mentioning to the DoC and the various people who followed them, that their entire RP was completely wrong, and to get over it... It has been shown that Mortal created social roles and belief structures are severely unreliable when there isn't a certainty that the Administration isn't going to tear the whole thing down around them... I'll admit that it worry's me sometimes, in more ways than one... Secrecy of ongoing plots is fine, but c'mon... Noone enjoys putting a lot of thought into something only to have it completely falsified by the whim of a development staff. "Life Sucks" Comes to mind in such a case...

All that said, I think the whole way of setting up a combined church with all of the Supernals being worshipped individually depending on a persons chosen religious discipline would be perfectly acceptable in this instance, since a church of that kind would be completely flexible.


By the way, Estarra needs a fan club!