Unknown2005-10-22 06:19:48
My suggestion to change flow into something still slightly useful, it's got an eq pentalty when you get there, why not:
1.Make it have an equal eq pentalty BEFORE the flow as well(would still be completely useless in combat, but would at least change it back to what people use it for, transporation.)
2.Make it pure-pure for serenwilde
3.Make it taint-taint for glomdoring
4.Change it back to Same-plane only, instead of Same-zone only.
Edit: The message could be something like "You prepare to shed your (your race) form and flow through the forest"
1.Make it have an equal eq pentalty BEFORE the flow as well(would still be completely useless in combat, but would at least change it back to what people use it for, transporation.)
2.Make it pure-pure for serenwilde
3.Make it taint-taint for glomdoring
4.Change it back to Same-plane only, instead of Same-zone only.
Edit: The message could be something like "You prepare to shed your (your race) form and flow through the forest"
Kharne2005-10-22 06:23:40
I agree, maybe some more penalties so we dont get as many whingers
Unknown2005-10-22 06:36:01
Another change I'd see as acceptable:
1.Make flow ONLY work on Prime and Ethereal (suports the "communes don't care about the higher planes" from the histories)
2.Make it pure-pure for serenwilde
3.Make it taint-taint for glomdoring
4.Change it back to Same-plane only, instead of Same-zone only.
1.Make flow ONLY work on Prime and Ethereal (suports the "communes don't care about the higher planes" from the histories)
2.Make it pure-pure for serenwilde
3.Make it taint-taint for glomdoring
4.Change it back to Same-plane only, instead of Same-zone only.
Unknown2005-10-22 07:35:08
Yet Another change that would work better then the current one
1.Make players unable to follow you when you flow.(which was talked about in multiple threads)
2.Make it pure-pure for serenwilde
3.Make it taint-taint for glomdoring
4.Change it back to Same-plane only, instead of Same-zone only.
1.Make players unable to follow you when you flow.(which was talked about in multiple threads)
2.Make it pure-pure for serenwilde
3.Make it taint-taint for glomdoring
4.Change it back to Same-plane only, instead of Same-zone only.
Unknown2005-10-22 07:51:46
1.Up flows cost and placement within nature. (move it up to the Master slot and make it cost more Mana/Willpower(Some Mag said before Willpower's one of the hardest things to make up, even more then Power itself))
2.Make it pure-pure for serenwilde
3.Make it taint-taint for glomdoring
4.Change it back to Same-plane only, instead of Same-zone only.
2.Make it pure-pure for serenwilde
3.Make it taint-taint for glomdoring
4.Change it back to Same-plane only, instead of Same-zone only.
Tsuki2005-10-22 07:52:16
Add in a mana/ego/willpower/endurance cost that's significant but that newbies can manage.
Kharne2005-10-22 08:07:41
QUOTE(Tsuki @ Oct 22 2005, 05:52 PM)
Add in a mana/ego/willpower/endurance cost that's significant but that newbies can manage.
210275
Thats a good idea
Daevos2005-10-22 18:51:58
If it were up to me, which I've no doubt that most if not all forestals are happy that it's not, I would have made one simple change months ago. Which would have been to change Wisp/Flow to only work in natural forest environments, ie not in demesne created ethereal forests.
Thorgal2005-10-22 18:55:47
QUOTE(Daevos @ Oct 22 2005, 08:51 PM)
And made Wisp/Flow only work in natural forest environments, ie not in demesne created ethereal forests.
210460
That would pretty much solve all problems in one swoop.
Vix2005-10-22 19:00:23
Um, just no. Then they would only work in the communes themselves which is raided once for every 100 village raids. You wouldn't be hindering our defense, you practically be stripping it.
Daevos2005-10-22 19:43:19
No, it would align the communes more with Kiakoda who was extremely strong within the forests, and yet significantly weaker outside. Anyway all your most important assets are within the forests, your Avatars, your Champions, your fae, White Hart, etc. Also I believe that druids should have their own summoning skill.
Suhnaye2005-10-22 20:35:04
I like that idea... It would be much more in-line with the histories, and it would make sense... Druids -Should- get their own summon/transport spell, rather than have to depend on Guardians for it...
Narsrim2005-10-22 21:01:48
QUOTE(Daevos @ Oct 22 2005, 03:43 PM)
No, it would align the communes more with Kiakoda who was extremely strong within the forests, and yet significantly weaker outside. Anyway all your most important assets are within the forests, your Avatars, your Champions, your fae, White Hart, etc. Also I believe that druids should have their own summoning skill.
210470
It just so happens that neither the Moondancers or Hartstone (who were the first wiccans/druids) did not learn their powers from Kiakoda. Ellindel healed the Fae who taught her Wicca and her lover, Glinshari, how to call upon the forest.
In fact, the entire idea of Druids being able to summon forests outside of em deviates from the idea what we are "only strong" in a natural forest. It is quite the opposite... as the druid can call forth an ethereal representation of a forest anywhere.
Goyel2005-10-22 22:03:36
QUOTE(Daevos @ Oct 22 2005, 02:43 PM)
No, it would align the communes more with Kiakoda who was extremely strong within the forests, and yet significantly weaker outside.
210470
Thats why druids forest places... to make them into forests, where they are strong.
Daevos2005-10-22 22:52:48
QUOTE
Not only did Kiakoda have the power of a vernal god, but she also drew considerable power from, and thus empowered, the forests of Lusternia. Though none of the mortal races, or even the other vernal gods, seem to have been aware of the fae or the great spirits of nature at this point in history, scholars have confirmed that she was in constant touch with Faethorn Realm on the ethereal plane. Most wiccans and druids believe she hid the existence of the fae in order protect them from the Soulless Gods, while her detractors (mostly nihilist scholars) believe she did so in order to hoard the power of the fae for herself.
Whatever the case, she was a force unto herself, repelling both Crazen and Muud in spectacular battles, which hurled them physically out of the forests they invaded. Though she was not overly concerned with what went outside the forests, Juliana the Evenhanded was able to draw her out to help out in several campaigns, where it was painfully apparent that her powers were diminished outside of the forests. Even so, she was looked upon with great awe and sometimes even jealously from the other Vernal Gods.
Whatever the case, she was a force unto herself, repelling both Crazen and Muud in spectacular battles, which hurled them physically out of the forests they invaded. Though she was not overly concerned with what went outside the forests, Juliana the Evenhanded was able to draw her out to help out in several campaigns, where it was painfully apparent that her powers were diminished outside of the forests. Even so, she was looked upon with great awe and sometimes even jealously from the other Vernal Gods.
QUOTE
When the fae were strong enough to help in the healing, they taught Ellindel's hearthmate, Glinshari Strongleaf, how to control the forests in the Basin of Life. Glinshari taught others, who became known as the druids, who were the physical guardians of the forests just as the wiccans were the spiritual guardians of nature. With the help of the fae, the wiccans and druids raised the Great Trees, enormous concentrations of power that quickened the healing of the forests. Three Great Trees were raised, one in the northern forest of Serenwilde, another in Ackleberry forest, and the third in the southern forest of Gloriana. Thus were formed the first three nature communes, who together ruled the Basin of Life with a harsh compassion, borne from the struggle to survive, and bent the races to the worship of nature.
While it is obvious that the druids learned their skills from the fae. It should also be noted that Kiakoda was constantly in contact with the fae as well, but during a time of great strife when the world faced it's greatest threats, the Soulless. Also Kiakoda had already shown the world that in the forests her power could not be denied. What pray tell stopped the fae from teaching her how to utilize her full might everyone instead of just in the forests? Was it solely because they didn't feel threatened by the Soulless? Were they that naive? Or were they truly unaware that it was in that power to significantly aid in the defeat of all the Soulless?
Narsrim2005-10-22 23:57:39
The Fae at this point in time were not corporeal beings. It wasn't until Ellindel healed them that they gained form. It was at the point that they became physical entities as well as spiritual entities that they were able to teach Ellindel (who was fully aware of their existence pre-physical form else how would she have known that they were in need of healing?) how to call upon them.
I would assume this to indicate that while Kiakoda had a very close relation with the Fae, it was wasn't the same relation Ellindel later had with them.
I would assume this to indicate that while Kiakoda had a very close relation with the Fae, it was wasn't the same relation Ellindel later had with them.
Unknown2005-10-23 00:38:49
I'd be fine if flow only worked between natural forest, and then druids/wiccans obtain a higher skill that allows them to move quickly between ethereal forests.
Aiwendil2005-10-25 09:03:10
Maybe we can change it back to same plane, but it costs additional mana/willpower/ego/whatever if not within the same area.
Kharne2005-10-25 09:17:06
QUOTE(Avaer @ Oct 23 2005, 10:38 AM)
I'd be fine if flow only worked between natural forest, and then druids/wiccans obtain a higher skill that allows them to move quickly between ethereal forests.
210555
Thats another very good idea, like expert in druidry or wateva
Sylphas2005-10-25 09:32:25
QUOTE(Daevos @ Oct 22 2005, 02:51 PM)
If it were up to me, which I've no doubt that most if not all forestals are happy that it's not, I would have made one simple change months ago. Which would have been to change Wisp/Flow to only work in natural forest environments, ie not in demesne created ethereal forests.
210460
Sure, if geo taint no longer counts as taint, and aqua flood doesn't count as water.
