Teaching Skills

by Peeka

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Peeka2005-12-01 22:04:58
From what I hear, the bonus for teaching skills is 1 lesson gained per 100 lessons taught. This seems extremely low. Is it just me? Do you think there might be any possibility that we could get a little bit more? Does that seem fair?
Shamarah2005-12-01 22:08:00
I agree, a boost would be nice. As it is the only time I ever noticed a gain was from teaching someone like 1200 Dreamweaving.
Mirk2005-12-01 22:14:05
1 in 100 !?!?!?! Wow that sucks...
Maybe you could make it 1 in 15? (It would be much more noticeable, and very nice for teachers...)
Peeka2005-12-01 22:31:38
Yeah. I understand that it can't be unreasonably high, but really I do not think it will impact credit sales at all if it was increased a little bit. I don't think there are many people who take the time to teach skills, atleast outside of Mirk and I's guild (We try to personally train as much as we can. In fact, we nab novices as soon as they step from the portals). I would just be happy if there was some kind of noticable lesson benefit - and 1 in 100 isn't noticable.
Xenthos2005-12-01 22:45:18
QUOTE(peeka @ Dec 1 2005, 06:31 PM)
Yeah. I understand that it can't be unreasonably high, but really I do not think it will impact credit sales at all if it was increased a little bit. I don't think there are many people who take the time to teach skills, atleast outside of Mirk and I's guild (We try to personally train as much as we can. In fact, we nab novices as soon as they step from the portals). I would just be happy if there was some kind of noticable lesson benefit - and 1 in 100 isn't noticable.
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I've managed to gain something like 6% at mythical by teaching two different people a ton of herbs (both of them from near nothing to mythical). That's equivalent to 30 lessons or so. For a number of hours of teaching.

The teaching bonus is only really worth speaking of if you're at mythical and you're training someone from 0% to mythical themselves. Then you save about fifteen lessons for that one person. Don't you feel special now?
Unknown2005-12-01 22:46:56
I didn't know we got any bonus. When I do teach it's not because I want a bonus so I'm not going to whinge about how low the current one is.
Vix2005-12-01 22:47:58
I've heard also that you only get the bonus when the person you're teaching learns in groups of 15.
Tsuki2005-12-01 22:51:10
The only time I've really noticed the bonus was when I taught someone just out of novicehood Wicca from Master to Fabled ... gave me 1-2% more, I think. biggrin.gif

1 lesson in 100 would mean a lesson in Totems/Moon for every 2 novices taught that, too, with our requirements. I never really noticed any impact ... then again, I haven't and don't teach for the bonus but because it's better for people to learn from someone who they can ask questions of and get help if needed rather than following a list of what to do. Even as GM I've been teaching recently when no one else has been around. Southgard's revolt took me away from what would've been my 4th novice that day ... but she wasn't new to IRE games so I felt better about it than I would've if it'd've been someone new.
Munsia2005-12-01 22:51:14
Anyone understand the ability? It only goes 1 at a time :/
Peeka2005-12-01 23:10:57
Well, I am a little offended that it's been implied that I teach for the bonus. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It's just something some fellow players had mentioned to me ingame, so I brought it up here for some insight.
Xenthos2005-12-01 23:16:31
I believe the way it used to be was that you learned 1 lesson every time you taught somebody, no matter how much they learned. This meant someone could do 1800 requests, and you'd get 15 times as much as if they learned in groups of 15.

So it was changed so that you only get the bonus if they learn a full set of 15.
Unknown2005-12-01 23:34:08
QUOTE(peeka @ Dec 2 2005, 10:10 AM)
Well, I am a little offended that it's been implied that I teach for the bonus. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It's just something some fellow players had mentioned to me ingame, so I brought it up here for some insight.
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I assume this is directed at me, since I was the first person who brought that issue up. I was not directing my comments at you and I'm sorry if that is how it seemed. I really was just saying what I wrote; I did not know there was a bonus at all and I'm not worried about increasing it.
Shorlen2005-12-02 03:20:02
QUOTE(Tsuki @ Dec 1 2005, 06:51 PM)
1 lesson in 100 would mean a lesson in Totems/Moon for every 2 novices taught that, too, with our requirements.
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No. Teaching Totems raises Totems, NOT Moon. As far as I can tell, Moon is considered a completely different skillset from Totems code-wise, Totems just goes from inept to master, and Moon goes from master to trans.

In other IRE games, the bonus for taking the time to personally teach novices was that you would gain significant amounts of lessons over time. In Achaea, I've heard of people going from Gifted to Mythical in a guildskill just from teaching novices their initial lessons. Here, that just isn't going to happen, since your guildskills with specializations don't benefit, just your other skills, like discernment or discipline or planar, but you aren't going to teach terribly much of those in initial training, so the gain is immensely little.
Xenthos2005-12-02 03:23:11
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Dec 1 2005, 11:20 PM)
No. Teaching Totems raises Totems, NOT Moon. As far as I can tell, Moon is considered a completely different skillset from Totems code-wise, Totems just goes from inept to master, and Moon goes from master to trans.
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Actually... I got legtendon in Blademaster from teaching novices (lots of novices, and was right on the edge). I thought the same thing before that. I was really disappointed, I had stopped at rend specifically so I wouldn't have legtendon messing with pinleg. Back before I had a few extra lessons to throw into it to get it past tendon.
Shorlen2005-12-02 03:30:38
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Dec 1 2005, 11:23 PM)
Actually... I got legtendon in Blademaster from teaching novices (lots of novices, and was right on the edge).  I thought the same thing before that.  I was really disappointed, I had stopped at rend specifically so I wouldn't have legtendon messing with pinleg.  Back before I had a few extra lessons to throw into it to get it past tendon.
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Really? I taught so many novices when I was the head of novices for the Moondancers, and I never gained a percent sad.gif I'm trans now in the skills we teach, so I can't check to be sure. Heck, I was 0% Master in Moon for a VERY long time, and teaching novices a lot of lessons of Totems never moved me even 1%...
Tsuki2005-12-02 03:32:50
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Dec 1 2005, 10:20 PM)
No. Teaching Totems raises Totems, NOT Moon. As far as I can tell, Moon is considered a completely different skillset from Totems code-wise, Totems just goes from inept to master, and Moon goes from master to trans.
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I made the assumption there because if you ask a tutor how far you are, you get the same percentage if you ask both Nature and Wicca, and Totems/Moon. Not 100% of Nature/Totems from mastering and whatever percent the other's at between Master-Trans. tongue.gif If you're trans everything there, you wouldn't be able to tell that though, I guess.
Eyod2005-12-02 11:55:50
i'm pretty certain I got 1% of wicca after a long teaching nature.
Narsrim2005-12-02 14:48:55
This may be a rumor but back in Aetolia, I heard the reason that teaching confers very very little bonus is because it was initially abused.

People were mass creating alts (not necessarily multiplaying, but say having a friend do it) to learn off a main character. Now, I imagine you aren't going to get trans like this, but it wouldn't be too hard to do: you just build a system that automatically does every single thing in the novice tutorial at max speed (it'd take like 3 minutes to get through), learn as much as you can, repeat.

Is it likely? Probably not, but I can see the justification in it being low.
Narsrim2005-12-02 14:49:18
My idea is that the bonus for learning be increased not in general but for guild undersecretaries and secretaries.
Ashteru2005-12-02 15:12:04
Maybe one lesson for every five, aye. That would actually mean something.