Criticals

by Ashteru

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Ashteru2005-12-04 17:44:18
Well, since I talked with Jack about it....does the critical level increase per level, or only at the three keylevels listed in HELP ARTIFACTS OFFENSIVE?

If the former, I would actually consider gathering for a medallion level 1, that's reachable now with Astral. But if the latter, it would only be really noticeable starting at a level 2, and I could never gather that many credits without using them for lessons first. biggrin.gif
Narsrim2005-12-04 17:44:42
Per level, I believe.
Narsrim2005-12-04 17:47:51
I actually have a question on the critical pendants. How do they work?

As far as I understand it, criticals are in tiers. Let's assume that at X level, you get 10% criticals. The 10% is then broken down into each type of critical. You have a higher chance of getting a plain critical than a obliterating critical, etc.

Thus, what does the pendant raise? Does it raise criticals overall, the lower tiers (which is what I have heard), etc?
Richter2005-12-04 20:13:37
From what my understanding is, let's say that 5/100 hits you do are criticals at level 50, 10/100 at level 60, 15/100 at level 70, and so on.

Based on that example, with a lv 1 medal, you'd do 7/100 at 50, 12/100 at 60, etc. Lv 3 medal would give 11/100 at 50, 16/100 at 60, etc.

So, essentially, for every hundred hits you do, you just get 2/4/6 more depending on which medal. Sounds like something I'm not going to buy anytime soon.
Unknown2005-12-04 20:48:01
That's always how I've heard/seen it working. However, I've seen great successes at high levels+pendants.
Anumi2005-12-04 22:54:05
As far as the different "levels" of critical hits, I always heard it worked like this:

Assume you have a 5% chance to get a critical hit. There's some type of random "roll" that happens, and if you get, say, 95-100 out of 100, you get a critical. If you get a critical, it rolls again. If you score 95-100 again, it's the next higher kind of critical. And so on until you don't roll a critical, or it's World-shattering (or whatever it is in Lusternia).

Could be completely wrong, but that's how I always heard/understood it.
Sudoxe2005-12-05 00:08:40
Critical Hits:

Critical: 2120
Crushing: 721
Obliterating: 250
Annihilating: 94
World-Shattering: 49

Total Attacks: 9154
Critical Chance: 35.33%

Titans will have more of course, but that's what I've got for my current level so far, with a level 2 critical chance artifact. Consider that once you reach 25% chance (level 88-90 or so) with level/artifacts, you're effectively increasing your mob damage by at least 25%. It is certainly worth the purchase if you're serious about bashing.
Daganev2005-12-05 00:14:24
I have found that the lower the level of the creature your attacking is, the higher the critical hit you will get on it will be.

I often get world shattering on bats and wasps but almost never on gorgogs, and I hit gorgogs much more often than I hit bats and wasps.
Ekard2005-12-05 00:26:54
QUOTE(daganev @ Dec 5 2005, 02:14 AM)
I have found that the lower the level of the creature your attacking is, the higher the critical hit you will get on it will be.

I often get world shattering on bats and wasps but almost never on gorgogs, and I hit gorgogs much more often than I hit bats and wasps.
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I noticed it too, but i already get WSCH on Manifestation so i'm happy now.
Ashteru2005-12-05 00:33:29
QUOTE(Sudoxe @ Dec 5 2005, 12:08 AM)
Critical Hits:

Critical:        2120
Crushing:        721
Obliterating:    250
Annihilating:    94
World-Shattering: 49

Total Attacks:    9154
Critical Chance:  35.33%

Titans will have more of course, but that's what I've got for my current level so far, with a level 2 critical chance artifact. Consider that once you reach 25% chance (level 88-90 or so) with level/artifacts, you're effectively increasing your mob damage by at least 25%. It is certainly worth the purchase if you're serious about bashing.
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Nice, I'll actually strongly consider it! ...Although Astral is now useless to me, without any gold...
Ekard2005-12-05 00:44:42
What i would like to know is.

Do i one level 90 with 1% will be have same critical chance as on level 90 with 90%.
Is it step by step after you level up or is it linear and rise with your exp?
Daganev2005-12-05 00:48:53
even though all other things are linear, I think this one jumps at steps. Unless there is just a -larger- jump from 99% to 0%
Unknown2005-12-05 01:27:41
Although I don't have as much data as Sudoxe, I've been counting my criticals as well from Level 77 to 78, both with a level 2 medallion:

QUOTE

Level 77 - 2459 hits
============ CRITICAL HITS ============
15.74% critical hits
  2.40% crushing critical hits
  0.65% obliterating critical hits
  0.08% annihilatingly powerful critical hits
  0.08% world-shattering critical hits
=======================================

Level 78 - 2100 hits
============ CRITICAL HITS ============
16.24% critical hits
  2.43% crushing critical hits
  0.29% obliterating critical hits
  0.10% annihilatingly powerful critical hits
  0.10% world-shattering critical hits
=======================================



To me it looks like it increases per level, and that's the way I always thought it would work.
Diamante2005-12-05 02:24:49
Going by melanchthons study, and he seems to know his criticals well, the critical % rises only at the 3 key levels, 50, 65, and 80, BUT, once you hit level 80, it rises by 1% every level at the 50% mark. That would make decent sense, because at level 90 I pull around 27% critical hit ratio, and the level 80 crit states 16.8%, so add in 10% for my levels , and it seems to add up.
Archthron2005-12-05 03:24:56
I'd have to say that's probably right. I've been keeping track of criticals now from level 54 to level 59, and they're basically the same ratios, with only a few abberations. Which annoys me to no end.
Daganev2005-12-05 03:27:19
Aha!! So thats why you don't get neo credits at 65... it all makes sense now!
Unknown2005-12-07 11:32:42
At level 100 your crit chance is still below the 50% (without medals).
Gregori2005-12-07 12:38:12
Level 88
Critical: 16,737
Crushing Critical: 3,052
Obliterating Critical: 597
Annihilating Cricital: 111
World Shattering Critical: 40

Since I started getting criticals, that is my stats, minus a few here and there when I was on java or telnet so didn't have them tracked.
Richter2005-12-07 14:48:49
QUOTE(Sudoxe @ Dec 4 2005, 04:08 PM)
Critical Hits:

Critical:        2120
Crushing:        721
Obliterating:    250
Annihilating:    94
World-Shattering: 49

Total Attacks:    9154
Critical Chance:  35.33%
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Bah, I'm going to have to get someone to send me that script. Mebbe I'll bug Kayne until he gives up and sends it to me.

And someone said it goes up at level 80, and as soon as I got level 80 I quit bashing for a while. I started a bit last night, and I did notice an increase in how many I was getting.

But from the way the critical medals were worded in the helpfile, it looked to me like since you'd be getting an extra 2,4,6/100, it would essentially tack on an extra 2/4/6% onto your chances after it factored in your normal critical-ness.
Ixion2005-12-07 21:28:32
Below 80 it's not really worth even thinking about criticals, for reasons such as you'd be a lucky person to get one WSC before 76. That being said, it doesnt quite seem linear.

Before 90 I had 42-46% on average crits, out of a data pool of 10,000+ hits.

Currently at 92, my upper level crits appear much higher, on the order of 1.5 times more than before lvl 90, but my overall have dropped to around 35-40%.

I just reset my counter, so I'll post it later today most likely.