I realize that I am catering to a smaller audience here, since most knights are now wounding or speed knights, but... could DAMAGE please be factored into bashing?
My typical outfit is damage heavy and quite slow, and it annoys me to be so far behind other knights who are hunting with weapons that sometimes have a quarter of the damage on my broadswords, but can somehow kill a mob in just as many hits... only... three times faster.

And don't tell me to go get a pair of fast rapiers, I already have them and being an Igasho doesn't help much.

Can we basically overhaul damage effect on bashing? Make the dmg values on weapons a percentage of the current damage capacity. Weapons with 50 damage do half as much damage to mobs as weapons currently do, weapons with 200 damage do double. That sort of thing. Weight strength, and other damage modifiers in the same manner.

Just a thought...

I thought the main reason why speed overdoes damage was the criticals.

In any case, though, it makes sense and it should help out one-handed warriors (who, I hear, still have to use rapiers to bash well, which makes no sense).

So... no matter what the weapon's damage is, you always do the same damage to mobs? Like, STR based only. Weird.

Damage does affect it. Me with rapiers takes more actual hits than me with broadswords.

Just not much.

Low-level Knight bashing is such a pain. A mage can clean up an Orc Brave with three cosmicfires or blasts while it takes a knight with crappy novice swords an ungodly amount of hits. Let's not factor in how often you miss at low skill levels, it's just too scary.

At higher levels, though, omgtehtankiness.

They've changed that now: alot of the hits actualy connect for a novice. It's still not as easy as a mage but, oh boy, it's not hellish now.

Still, the point stands that speed beats power, and that pureblade/axelords still use rapiers to bash with.

The forumla Melanchthon gave me for decided whats more affective for bashing is the following..

"(Strength+(Damage/10))/Time" Do that with two sets of weapons, and compare them to see how much more affective one set is than another.

{Some tests I ran a week ago}

Okay, I counted up the number of hits and approximate time to kill a gorgog on me, an alt, and a novice alt with varying weapons. For all, there were no divinefavours, combatstyles, or anything else to modify damage, and I counted out criticals and misses. Two identical damage weapons wielded at once.

Folken - 20 STR Igasho,
Broadswords: 14 hits, 85 seconds
Rapiers: 17 hits, 64 seconds
Scimitars: 16 hits, 71 seconds
Longswords: 16 hits, 75 seconds

Alt - 14 STR Human,
Broadswords: 16 hits, 62 seconds
Rapiers: 19 hits, 46 seconds
Scimitars: 18 hits, 51 seconds
Longswords: 17 hits, 53 seconds

Novice Alt - 15 STR Loboshigaru,
Broadswords: 15 hits, 61 seconds
Rapiers: 18 hits, 42 seconds
Scimitars: 17 hits, 52 seconds
Longswords: 17 hits, 50 seconds

Same weapons were used (having 201, 63, 104, 132 dmg respectively).

Keep in mind, the two alts are not at any significant critical level, so the times reflect rather well a lowbie or midbie with those races and weapons. It's an insane quantity of time.

I should do a test with an aslaran, and I prolly will when I get the time.

Heh. A friend who is on a T1 line at a college library says the broadsword Igasho took him 79 seconds. Maybe I can just blame my connection

EDIT: I don't usually bash that slow, that was only comparative. On average I take Gorgogs at about 40 to 50 seconds with criticals and lightning stance.

Nice table.

And me as human with 18 str and rapiers 270+ speed i can kill gorgog wichout any criticals below 22 seconds Man it was hard to get 14 clean hits in a row wichout critical .
Yes, yes my swing with them is little below 3 sec

And yes damage of weapons metter but not as much as in pvp combat.
With broadswords i needed less hits but it was soo slow.

Use *fast* rapiers for basing!

What about us pureblades and axelords? Right now I'm using a claymore, and before a katana. I'll check to see which bashing is faster. And I thought from another post that Lightning and such don't work.

You could just count CRITICAL as 2 hits, CRUSHING as 4 etc. I think.

Yea but i wanted to check how much it will take me to kill one gorgog wichout criticals. And i missed only once in those 14 hits.

EDIT: Ekard makes a more valid point than me.

EDIT 2: So that this post isn't completely useless, I guess what I'm trying to say is that for me topping out at 21 str with 221+ damage broadswords, I find it really annoying to spend 30 seconds (when lucky with criticals) killing something that a faster, weaker hunter can get in 22. Even 15. Don't even get me started on those moonburst knights.

Yea. I'm bashing realy fast but i have 18 str, no balance penalty, fast rapiers both above 275 speed.


And Champion helm helps a little too.

Damage weapons are quite inferior to speed ones, mainly from crits but also from plain damage.

Not real happy that I use fast but crappy rapiers to hunt being that even with 22 str, they are better than my crazy-go-nuts broadswords.

However.. this complaint is likely to not be the highest coding priority.

What you do is forge a pair of high damage/speed broadswords just for bashing, problem solved, my broads are 161/144/192 and 170/116/200, runed/aura'ed they are 181 dmg/212 speed and 190/220 speed. I've tested bashing with my 300 speed rapiers and my broadswords win by a large margin.

That's because you are aslaran and hit a speed dropoff.

For 0 balance races rapiers are clearly superior.

How bout someone test that out for use twohanders over here? That would be nice to know, cause right now I'm pretty slow.

two hander used to suck, but now they fixed it and as far as I can tell we're about equivilent in bashing capibility... Just go pick up a nice katana and your set