Ozma2005-12-20 21:11:04
Ok, I'm new here and have no idea how the influence system works. I've tried it a couple of times on varoius pilgrims and once a furrikin. Every single time my ego gets shattered if I don't leave. Yes, I drink bromide to get my ego back but I can't get to any result from my influencing. I have up to supplication. Any advice?
Serrin2005-12-20 21:19:36
Influencing is similar to regular fighting. The mobs have an influencing level too and therefore you're not going to be influencing level 20-25 mobs as a level 1. You just don't have the ego/skill for it.
I'm not very experienced on influencing, but you might try going to Newton and influencing the gnomes/finks? I'm not sure whether they're influencable or not.
In any event, even if you can't find anything you can influence just yet you can still level in a non-violent way by doing village quests. Collecting chickens, getting hay and gathering cows. There are also the pilgrims on the highway and the scholars in the mountains which you can lead to Avechna's Peak and any of the three great librarys (respectively, so pilgrim > avechna, scholar > library). Most people say that it is faster than regular bashing if you can figure out how to do it well. There are also quests like shadow gathering if you're a member of Glomdoring, and I know theres something to do with digging up something or other in Celest if you're a youngin.
Then once you've gained a few more levels give influencing another try.
I'm not very experienced on influencing, but you might try going to Newton and influencing the gnomes/finks? I'm not sure whether they're influencable or not.
In any event, even if you can't find anything you can influence just yet you can still level in a non-violent way by doing village quests. Collecting chickens, getting hay and gathering cows. There are also the pilgrims on the highway and the scholars in the mountains which you can lead to Avechna's Peak and any of the three great librarys (respectively, so pilgrim > avechna, scholar > library). Most people say that it is faster than regular bashing if you can figure out how to do it well. There are also quests like shadow gathering if you're a member of Glomdoring, and I know theres something to do with digging up something or other in Celest if you're a youngin.
Then once you've gained a few more levels give influencing another try.
Ozma2005-12-20 21:21:07
I'm Lev. 30. I can't get back into newton. And I can't figure out how to get the pilgrims to follow me.
Richter2005-12-20 21:24:40
Finks and gnomes are a good place to start.
Now, from what I understand, there are three different skills for each type of influence battle. Some things are more succeptable to certain things, and the later skills allow you to see which works on them better. If someone is feeling nice, you might be able to influence them with begging (or the other two, higher skills) easier. Also, certain skills have different effects on the mobs. Later on, you'll gain the ability to divert attention away from someone influencing, so they argue with you instead, and other neat things.
And Serrin was right, there are harder things you don't want to go after yet, and I think it's pretty much like fighting. Do you think you could fight a guard? No? Best not to influence one either. Can you take on a fink? Maybe you could argue with it.
Now, from what I understand, there are three different skills for each type of influence battle. Some things are more succeptable to certain things, and the later skills allow you to see which works on them better. If someone is feeling nice, you might be able to influence them with begging (or the other two, higher skills) easier. Also, certain skills have different effects on the mobs. Later on, you'll gain the ability to divert attention away from someone influencing, so they argue with you instead, and other neat things.
And Serrin was right, there are harder things you don't want to go after yet, and I think it's pretty much like fighting. Do you think you could fight a guard? No? Best not to influence one either. Can you take on a fink? Maybe you could argue with it.
Richter2005-12-20 21:25:35
QUOTE(Ozma @ Dec 20 2005, 01:21 PM)
I'm Lev. 30. I can't get back into newton. And I can't figure out how to get the pilgrims to follow me.
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Perhaps telling them you'll lead them to Avechna's peak would work...?
And try finding lower level creatures, and influencing them. There's tons of things out there to work on.
Anumi2005-12-20 21:39:08
I might guess you're making the same mistake I did when I first started. You have to keep doing the INFLUENCE command over and over, each time you get your balance back. You may still lose if you're trying to go against things much higher level than you, but that might be the problem.
Ozma2005-12-20 22:04:09
Same influence each time, of switch it up?
Serrin2005-12-20 22:16:21
I believe mobs tend to develope a resistance to the same influence type if used over and over. Oh, and if you're using begging try taking off your clothing first, or at least shucking down to just a pair of common pants. If you look like royalty when you try to beg, then you probably won't get too far.
Vix2005-12-20 22:27:01
Don't completely strip down though. Influencing naked hurts as well, even for begging.
Richter2005-12-20 22:30:17
That's why you rotate between the three skills of each type, if you have them.
Cwin2005-12-21 00:36:12
To clear things up a little, to be able to Influence properly, you'll need:
Two skills of the same type (as in, two Begging skills, two Seduce skills, ext.).
The proper clothing (Most types need good looking clothing, Begging needs bad looking clothing, just above naked).
Bromide.
You'll want to switch skills of the same type each 'attack'. If you have all three skills, switch between all three. IN truth, each attack does the same damage: it's just the fact you have three to switch from which makes you more powerful.
Also, you'll need to attack quickly: if you wait too long the enemy will give a 'counterattack' reducing a good bit of ego. Your actual speed in influencing is, I believe, controled by your Charisma.
Keep switching attacks of the same type: Don't switch types and, preferably, don't leave for too long a time if you have to run.
It takes some practice, but once you get used to it, you'll be influencing in no time.
Two skills of the same type (as in, two Begging skills, two Seduce skills, ext.).
The proper clothing (Most types need good looking clothing, Begging needs bad looking clothing, just above naked).
Bromide.
You'll want to switch skills of the same type each 'attack'. If you have all three skills, switch between all three. IN truth, each attack does the same damage: it's just the fact you have three to switch from which makes you more powerful.
Also, you'll need to attack quickly: if you wait too long the enemy will give a 'counterattack' reducing a good bit of ego. Your actual speed in influencing is, I believe, controled by your Charisma.
Keep switching attacks of the same type: Don't switch types and, preferably, don't leave for too long a time if you have to run.
It takes some practice, but once you get used to it, you'll be influencing in no time.
Ozma2005-12-21 01:20:09
Does evoke Netzach from highmagic help?
Shryke2005-12-21 01:22:29
I dunno about that first question but one thing I found a bit back when I had a furrikin was that influencing and then killing creatures will double your experience, so try it!
Shamarah2005-12-21 01:25:06
QUOTE(Ozma @ Dec 20 2005, 08:20 PM)
Does evoke Netzach from highmagic help?
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Yes.
Unknown2005-12-21 01:42:08
QUOTE(Avaer @ Sep 18 2005, 12:52 AM)
Normal influence works from your knowledge of the Influence skillset, your charisma, and the appearance you project.
There are five ego-battles you can engage in with sentient denizens:
** Charity - You sometimes gain a small amount of gold if you win, or any item they carry.
** Empowerment - You make them slightly stronger and healthier for a short time.
** Weakening - You make them slightly weaker and less healthy for a short time.
** Paranoia - You make them act strangely, and be unable to respond to other players for a short time (so they cease to function in quests, for example)
** Seduction - You make them attack any of your personal enemies that they see.
Certain denizens will be more susceptible to one attack, and immune to another, and you can tell this by using the Analyze skill in Influence.
Each battle consists of repeatedly hitting a denizen with up to three different attacks for a certain ego-battle until either your own ego is destroyed, or the denizen submits to you. Cycling through the different attacks I find is the most effective, so they cannot become resistant to one of them. So for instance, when battling for charity, I would use Begging, Supplication, then Wheedling, then Begging, Supplication, and Wheedling, and so on. Each time you use an attack you lose a small portion of your ego, but also if you are too slow in using your attacks the denizen will question your motives, draining much more ego.
To be successful:
* You need good clothing and jewelry so that in your STAT output you see "From the clothing that can be seen, you look like royalty" or "you look opulent".
* You need to be a high charisma race, I'd think over 12 charisma is generally in the 'good' bracket, as this will affect both the speed at which you can recover from influence attacks, and how much damage you do with them. (edited to reflect new changes). There are some other ways to improve your charisma such as the highmagic skill.
* You need to learn Influence as much as possible. The higher level your skill in Influence, the more damage your attacks will do, and also you'll have greater access to different attacks. At very high levels in the skill you'll also gain the ability of SuperEgo, which reduces all ego damage you suffer. To start with, a single attack of each type should be enough, but you'll need more to handle the tougher denizens. Analyze is also quite essential.
I'd suggest starting with some of the unnamed village denizens first, such as the furrikin farmers in Estelbar, or the wandering orcs in Acknor. The experience you gain from winning an ego-battle is identical to what you gain if you kill the denizen. If you lose, you will lose an equal amount of experience as if you had been killed.
There are five ego-battles you can engage in with sentient denizens:
** Charity - You sometimes gain a small amount of gold if you win, or any item they carry.
** Empowerment - You make them slightly stronger and healthier for a short time.
** Weakening - You make them slightly weaker and less healthy for a short time.
** Paranoia - You make them act strangely, and be unable to respond to other players for a short time (so they cease to function in quests, for example)
** Seduction - You make them attack any of your personal enemies that they see.
Certain denizens will be more susceptible to one attack, and immune to another, and you can tell this by using the Analyze skill in Influence.
Each battle consists of repeatedly hitting a denizen with up to three different attacks for a certain ego-battle until either your own ego is destroyed, or the denizen submits to you. Cycling through the different attacks I find is the most effective, so they cannot become resistant to one of them. So for instance, when battling for charity, I would use Begging, Supplication, then Wheedling, then Begging, Supplication, and Wheedling, and so on. Each time you use an attack you lose a small portion of your ego, but also if you are too slow in using your attacks the denizen will question your motives, draining much more ego.
To be successful:
* You need good clothing and jewelry so that in your STAT output you see "From the clothing that can be seen, you look like royalty" or "you look opulent".
* You need to be a high charisma race, I'd think over 12 charisma is generally in the 'good' bracket, as this will affect both the speed at which you can recover from influence attacks, and how much damage you do with them. (edited to reflect new changes). There are some other ways to improve your charisma such as the highmagic skill.
* You need to learn Influence as much as possible. The higher level your skill in Influence, the more damage your attacks will do, and also you'll have greater access to different attacks. At very high levels in the skill you'll also gain the ability of SuperEgo, which reduces all ego damage you suffer. To start with, a single attack of each type should be enough, but you'll need more to handle the tougher denizens. Analyze is also quite essential.
I'd suggest starting with some of the unnamed village denizens first, such as the furrikin farmers in Estelbar, or the wandering orcs in Acknor. The experience you gain from winning an ego-battle is identical to what you gain if you kill the denizen. If you lose, you will lose an equal amount of experience as if you had been killed.
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Peeka2005-12-21 03:30:13
When I was a newbie, and only had Begging, I started out with a handful of bromides and begged in Estelbar. It was pretty easy. First, analyze the NPC, and if it has a friendly and laidback disposition, they are ripe for begging. Then hit them with begging as fast as you can, one after the other, while sipping bromides as your ego goes down. Since you have supplication, which is a higher form of begging, you could use that too.
Unknown2005-12-21 20:56:40
Just curious. I think I remember that jeweler's can create fascinate gems. I haven't trans that skill yet, so I 'm not sure what it does. But from the name, I'm guessing it may have something to do with influencing. Is this right?
Unknown2005-12-21 20:59:29
You can transfix non-blind personal enemies in the room with it.
