*chukles* i've just been wondering if it would be possible for families to have special cartels.
They wouldn't have any public designs and no extra private designs. They might be cheaper than a normal cartels (if the later part is a no-no).
Now all the designs would have to follow a similar style, the idea being that the cartel is only for designs that will be used by your family.

Now the stuff you'll say no to.
If possible it would be great if they could create any type of design.
and
If any designs were restricted to members of the family.

So, go on. tear it to shreds

I like it.

Uhh, why dont you just get a normal clan, make it a cartel, and just have family members in it? It's not really that hard to keep specific idea when designing, i mean, i was starting to design cheap bar equiptment, stools, bartables and the like, theres no reason to make a special clans just for families, since you can already do this.

yes but the idea is to attach them to families and not clans which costs like 1 million gold or something.
Also if it were possibly for family cartels to create a design for any tradeskill it gives them complete control over their family designs.

So a family could create a few bits of jewelry and then some furniture with their style and crest on them rather than paying money to people to ensure that not only can no one outside a cartel make the design but also to restrict the design.

Also anything that can't be justified as a design for the family wouldn't get through.

I like the idea, but if it goes along with the Great House thing then a family can very easily lose every design they add with the simple loss of a family member. So it would just seem pointless to do as the designs would just be lost if you fall under 50 members.

If thats not how you meant it to work..then I think you would have to explain how this would be brought about.

I would say, attaining greathouse should allow you to get one piece of furniture/jewelery/clothing/weapon, that only those in the family can make, like having a ring with the family insignia on it, but just one item, if you make great houses able to design their own custom items, for every tradeskill, it would just be too good, unless you make each pattern cost 20K just for submitting it.

I don't see the point... If you want a design unique to your family, you can get one from an actual cartel; Richter's cartels do that, for example. If you want to have an actual cartel, you can use a family clan. A cheap, multipurpose private cartel would be overkill, though.

I'd just have someone make you custom items via their cartel (As the others said, all of this is too much just for a family cartel) and have the descriptions hold some sort of emblem or some blatant family symbol that would make it unattractive to anyone else just incase the thought of it being private doesn't stop people from making it.

If you have an ring privately design for like this, A ring bearing the D'Erlette insignia, i doubt anyone who isn't in the house, would bother getting one made, why, because it'd look stupid on anyone that's not in the house, and if you asked for it to be private, you or your family only, you can probably get them in trouble, well if it was from Richter cartels anyway, i'm pretty sure he wouldn't want his cartels bringing in a bad name for him.

I'm pretty sure Richter's cartels make custom designs for people and orgs. I myself have a signet ring (In another cartel, though) designed for an organization I'm in, even though it's not blatantly obvious that it's a signet ring for that particular organization.

The idea is because, while yes submitting to richters various clans would be good (without a family member in the cartel it's 75000 gold, 50000 if you have a member in the cartel)
Remember the private designs are restricted. So not only would a cartel attached to a family allow you to dodge costs (hides from richter) and mean that you are garunteed to get all the designs as early as possible, while submitting to other cartels may incur a waiting list.

preferably not great house but perhaps great houses could get either more designs or if you fell below the required members you couldn't design any more.

I do like the idea of giving a single design of each type. but only if the design is able to be changed, because long term that design you create now may not suit your family down the track.

Fifty people can't chip in 20 K each to buy one lousy cartel?

I'm already doing this out of my own pocket for my pride. I've paid for four seperate cartels that exist only to serve the needs of the Shanthine.

Just buy a normal cartel and only let in family members. Hell, I own seven, you can do it too.

Well actually the point of this was that families might only need a few designs but of various trade skills. If there was a special cartel that could only be attached to a family that let them design for any trade skill but only privately and only a few each time then there wouldn't be a need for them to go off and spend the ammount of money needed to buy private cartels (keeping in mind it would be 1 mil for every tradeskill)

Also while yes Saran is seeking family i'm not actually in one nor does it seem that i will be any time soon. (Feel free to prove me wrong by offering if you must )

Or just buy a lot of lottery tickets on next cartel lottery :>

As i said, give great houses, or families, -one- type of custom item, be it a sword, cloak, ring, chair, cake, which would be available for any of the family members with that type of trade to make.

It would make much more sense to simply implement heraldry, or restricted items that cost credits/large amounts of golds and can only be made by certain members of certain organizations. Giving each Great House a free design is silly; Great Houses already get enough perks. Make it too useful/cool/powerful, and we get the problem Achaea has with people having more children than is biologically possible.