Since Viscanti is the only specialized race to have crappy charisma (which makes sense in an RP sense), what if we added this modified racial ability:

o Can MASQUERADE upon reaching level 40, increasing ego.

So, using this ability you would gain +20% maximum ego, in exchange for a level 1 ongoing ego drain and level 1 balance penalty. It represents using powders and makeup to superficially change your appearance, making you feel more beautiful, but not really changing the effect you have on others.

Edit: In case it doesn't make sense... the ego drain is the toll it takes to keep up your faux appearance, and the balance penalty represents being careful not to perturb your facade by hasty movements.

Now, combine this with the fact that Master Viscanti have a realistic base charisma of 13 (+1 from rituals, free), and they aren't too bad. 3 less than high elfen/faeling... but if the difference was any less I'd be very disappointed.


... and then all the other orgs can get a free village! So none of us experience the despair that is controlling zero villages.

14 charisma, not 13. +1 from Rituals. +1 from HighMagic.

Also, Max ego does nothing really, except effect max sip. City Viscanti will have chanters, so that's moot.

Charisma has very little effect on anything but speed. You can be faster than a denizen at 12 Charisma if you're using triggers. 13 if you're a bit slow with your hands. Someone with 16 charisma can beat a monk in the same number of attacks I can with 19 charisma when we have the same skill in Influence.

What effects ego damage is your skill in Influence, or in village influencing, your C-Rank. Boosting Viscanti charisma won't do anything.


...And Ankrag is not a free village.

It is worth noting that Rituals (Populus) and Highmagic (Netz-something) give +1 charisma. A throne gives +2 charisma. Beauty blessing gives +2 charisma. Thus, a Master Viscanti Nihilist can achieve 16 charisma with a little effort.

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And FYI Sidra, it is not even possible for Glomdoring to create enough cloaks amongst its own population at any given point to effectively stand up against Magnagora person-to-person influencing undead.

Thus, any argument that Angkrag is not a free village is a load of crap. Every single village in Lusternia has been held by 2 or more parties at one point in time (even Acknor, which Celest pulled once) EXCEPT Angkrag.

How is it not possible? What are you smoking? If they have enough influencers, they can easily produce enough cloaks. In a matter of minutes you can gather enough crow feathers to outfit 10 people with crow cloaks. Not to mention the Crow-users that already have their cloaks.

Now, that's even ignoring the fact that they could make the cloaks ahead of time and put them in a shop. For a person who boasts about thinking so broadly about strategy, you sure aren't being very creative about how Glomdoring could supply itself with cloaks.

I heard somewhere that if a crow cloak is in existance made by someone, that person is incapable of making a new one until the old one is destroyed - is this true?

And Shorlen has a Crow Cloak stolen from a newly graduated Blacktalon (who I think quit Lusternia over it) that he uses for three purposes whenever he gets the chance - getting amnesty from Paavik for people (which is the most annoying thing EVER due to the quest needing to be open and not done - I'd start ranting about this, but the last time I did Daganev derailed the topic), influencing Paavik when it revolts, and seducing the denizens of Angkrag when it revolts. I've had it for years and years, and it's been near decay from when I acquired it. It is very, very easy to store things in a shop stockroom and make them non-decay. I don't need to use it for extended periods of time, so it will be a very long time before I lose it.

Why can't Blacktalon do the same?

I was told that you could only have 1 created at a time. If you create a new one, it destroys the former.

This makes no sense, because when I 'acquired' a young Blacktalon's cloak, he reacted very violently and loudly and was extremely upset. If he could have remade it, summoning it back to him, I doubt he would have reacted in that fashion.

According to X-blacktalon member who wishes to remain anonymous, you can create multiple cloaks although given Glomdoring's power restrictions, it wouldn't be all that feasible. Even if they were kept in a shop for Glomdoring members, someone could just waltz in and buy all of them out with no one knowing who.

Maybe either he didn't know, or it's the same as killing our Fae or something, sentimental value so to speak. (I can't remember the mechanics personally, inclined to believe Narsrim on this one but not sure.)

EDIT: Or not

Well, that's why you don't put them for sale, and when the village revolts, someone with access goes in and gets all of the cloaks and gives them out to those who don't have their own


and then serenwilde steals them all

Yeah, you couldn't like put them in a bin only available to a more restricted group of people or anything.


Glomdoring's power restrictions? Ha. They have it so that if you put in more than 10 power, you can draw more based on how much you put in. And it is not hard for a single person to generate 500 power over the course of a day.

Wow, this is hilarious. You constantly go out of your way to out-think your supposed limitations when it comes to combat, but you completely close off your mind after you've made a clearly false statement. You that afraid of being wrong, Narsrim?

I know celest and glomdoring share similar power rules, and probally seren and magnagoras arnt to different, Im guessing you all have the rule about if you are drawing power for city work messages the minister and you basically get it free outside of your own power ration. Id assume making crow cloaks for people would fall into work for the city.

And feel free to spend 9999999 gold on a cloak that can be remade as soon as someone notices its gone.

I dont know if one person can make multiable cloaks though so thats the only deciding factor.

Glomdoring has an equal opportunity to influence Angkrag as does Magnagora. Any other statement is patently untrue.

Nihilists (necromancy required) - Blacktalon (crow required)
Ur'guard (necromancy optional) - Ebonguard (crow optional)
Geomancers (no necromancy) - Shadowdancer (no crow)

The numerical mechanics are equal between Glom and Mag. Mastery and the Crow cloak are both the first skills in their respective skillset, as well. The difference is that the cloaks cost 10 power to create, whereas Mastery is free, but cloaks are transferrable whereas Mastery is not. Sounds pretty fair to me.

If you want to argue whether Celest or Seren have a fair shot at it, then it's obvious they don't, but whoever holds Angkrag can't influence Rockholm or Southgard, so the advantage for Glom and Mag, though noticeable, isn't overbearing.

So... no-one likes the actual bonus? It was the least possible upgrade I could think of, as the majority is right in that Magnagora (the organization itself) really isn't too disadvantaged charisma-wise.

But I thought it would be a nice little extra boost, and RP tool.

I just wanted to add that on this note, having cloaks in a shop are a price like that doesn't make them available at whim. It would require someone who had access to the shop when Angkrag went into play... which again is part of the issue: if they aren't available upon need, they serve no purpose in a shop.

A bin restricted to the Council clan solves this problem.

Your mistaken I wasnt making that comment as an accetable storage method I was replying to your comment about buying them.



I ment it to mean you are free to walk in and pay that much for it if you wish to steal them, the funds will be very nice

Im not sure how the bins work my plan was putting the cloaks in at an insane price and then the shop keeper and his assistants could get them out, but a bin would be a better option?



I actually think glomdoring has a better chance to infulence angkrag than magnagora due to everyone in glom could wear a cloak.

I really do wonder what sort of influence Magnagora still has in Glomdoring. It would be interesting to see if the two ever clash.

I like your idea Elryn, Viscanti for a specialized race has the worst charisma. Hm..Im not sure what an enraged Taurian looks like, but is there a cosmetic change to how you see them in a room? And if so, could you possibly show this possible change that way? Or did you mean that already when you posted?

Though members of the races that dont get a racial bonus like for example fire breath would call unfair and or those who dont think a race should have more than one racial bonus in that respect.

How do you mean clash? They fought each other at the nodes but other than that seems neutral at the moment to me, no ones rocking the boat and no ones helping each other. I said it before about celest and seren they should have more conflict between them other than your lovers tiffs with Malica

Go Amaru! hehe


Nah seriously though it looks like it would be fun.