Ok so we kill mitch, and see him get sacrificed for outside the city and go to kill him again.

oh hang on He'S GRACED....lichdom gave grace once upon a time, as if sacrifice wasn't powerful enough that it gives the person grace too? It's supposed to be risky and its supposed to not be a free soul-rezz whenever you pray.

The bitching about lichdom giving grace was so huge, yet sacrifice gives it too? Come on lets see a bit of fairness.

Someone else -died- when they sacrificed hence the grace. That's not comparable to no one dying and thus no grace.

It still shouldn't give grace. They got SOULREZZED the best rezz available. When its some lowbie who you can't kill for rezzing them unless you declare, its retardedly stupid.

Really, it shouldn't give grace anymore than lichdom does, either that or sacrificing should declare all the sacrificee's current engagements like ME.

Did the other person who died get grace, too?

You have ONE HEALTH when you get sacrificed for.

How about Lichdom? What's that? Full health?

Ladys and Gentlemen,

The real issue reveals itself. Murphy couldn't kill some lowbie so its not fair. I have no idea how he managed to weave declare into this as well, but apparently he shouldn't have to declare and the person shouldn't get grace because again, he couldn't kill someone who had no chance trying to be helpful.

1 health? sounds fair. And it's not that hard to get health fast. Puella(if you have it) sparkle, health enough to take a round. Sory sham i been rezzed by a sacrafice, and yeah that 1 health never bothered me.

Next, Murphy will be complaining about the grace of innocence.

absolutley, 1 health is the risk ITS A BLOODY SOUL REZZ

I do'nt care about the newbie, i do care about the enemy never ever having to pray as long as sacrifice hits vitae....make it go through it. Sacrifice removes the risk of praying from just about everyone

"But you can use eye sigils, it's so easy to stop souls moving!"

Well, it does make sense. If Lich doesn't give Grace, neither should the other specialty rez skills (maybe even Planar Conglutination, though own-territory conglut should always give grace).

Could someone explain how sacrifice works?

Sacrifice works like this Person A dies, Person B goes to the soul and then Sacrifices them self and dies. Both lose experience person A comes back to life with 1 health and grace and in most occasions person B is still dead. A good explanation is that if a person sacrificed themselves for you they are praying instead of you taking the major experience lost, why would the person who died first not get grace they still died and they still lost experience in which when you lich you dont?

Uh... no. In most cases, person B had vitae, or the soul walked to Celest and person B conglutinates.

I dont agree with the vitae but oh well they can fix that and the person who is walking to Celest as a soul is take the risk of losing more experience do to mana lost so that is still more experience then what someone with lich would lose.

What I don't get is why giving 1 health to whoever is getting rezzed. They have friggin grace! They can't be harmed! Might as well give them full health. They will heal everything back while graced anyway.

True, in most cases it's that, it makes me wonder, what are the stipulations on the skill? is it same plane only?

Or are there none?

or is it just Person A is dead, Person B has the skill?

It takes power but thats really no big deal, so really it's a free rezz and one loses like 35 and the other a little more no big loss like it should be. It's like sacraficing your pinky instead of your head. Something you can live with vs somethign you can't live with.

The soul has to be standing at the person who is sacrificing for them, so definitely same-plane only. (Same room only, and souls can't really swim very well, or pass over eye sigils).

Generally, souls are able to get away, just like liches.

It's the "you are weak, and just been brought back". Resurgem works similarly in the fact that the person did die, so they get grace. Resurgem saves a bit of the experiance loss as well, if we can use it, and meet the 4 conditions for it.



Oh, hmm... why would they sacrifice then? why not just use their other skill?