Sparred Dia again today, this is how it went.



4900h, 7758m, 7040e, 10p exkdb- <20:58:29.203>
Muttering words of power, you trace a cobalt blue pentagram in the air that
remains hovering before you, protecting against assault.
4900h, 7803m, 7040e, 10p xkdb- <20:58:29.718>
Diamante dances down a moonbeam and alights gently on the ground.
4900h, 7803m, 7040e, 10p xkdb- <20:58:30.437>
You have recovered equilibrium.
say ready when you are
4900h, 7803m, 7040e, 10p exkdb- <20:58:33.500>
You say, "Ready when you are."
4900h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdb- <20:58:37.968>
"Ok!" Diamante exclaims.
4900h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdb- <20:58:40.500>
Holding a warrior's iron greatsword poised at an angle overhead, Diamante
unleashes a violent assault at your right leg. Diamante strikes the tendon above
apply regeneration to legs
your right heel, and you scream in agony as it's completely severed.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
drink health
3622h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:42.000>
Diamante takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his skin.
order 19851 passive
order 19851 follow me
order 19851 kill diamante
3622h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:42.234>
The potion heals and soothes you.
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:42.531>
You order a celestial archangel to assume a passive stance.
With seeming reluctance, a celestial archangel obeys your command.
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:42.640>
Your order is obeyed.
A celestial archangel obediently falls into line behind you.
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp-
Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
Your action causes the nearly invisible magical shield around you to fade away.
You order a celestial archangel to kill Diamante.
A celestial archangel obeys your command.
smoke pipe79264
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:42.953>
You take a long drag off your pipe.
abjure web diamante
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:43.093>
apply mending to legs
You must have two legs to do that.
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:43.531>
The salve has no discernable effect.
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:43.671>
A celestial archangel flings a cobalt blue disc at Diamante, which envelops him
in a field of crackling energy.
A celestial archangel flings a cobalt blue disc at Diamante, which envelops him
in a field of crackling energy.
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:44.406>
Diamante takes a long drag off his pipe.
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:44.625>
abjure web diamante
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:44.937>
apply mending to legs
You must have two legs to do that.
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:45.328>
The salve has no discernable effect.
abjure web diamante
4448h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:45.468>
With a focused look, Diamante strikes at you with a warrior's iron greatsword.
You are poked in the chin for a small puncture.
STANCE HEAD STANCE HEAD!!
drink allheale
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
3398h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:45.750>
apply mending to legs
You must have two legs to do that.
3398h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:45.890>
The allheale burns your throat and makes your eyes water.
The tendon in your right leg reattaches itself.
abjure web diamante
3398h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:46.031>
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the Rift to 322.
3398h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp-
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3888h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp-
clot
clot
clot
You bleed 46 health.
3842h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:46.156>
The salve has no discernable effect.
3842h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:46.250>
You grasp a handful of cosmic threads and will them into existence, then release
them onto Diamante as a mass of sticky webs.
3842h, 7850m, 7040e, 10p xkdbp- <20:58:46.343>
You do not bleed, my friend.
3842h, 7730m, 7040e, 10p xkdbp- <20:58:46.671>
drink health
The potion heals and soothes you.
4818h, 7730m, 7040e, 10p xkdbp- <20:58:47.234>
chant puer head
4900h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p xkdbp- <20:58:49.968>
You have recovered equilibrium.
4900h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:50.281>
stand
You must first raise yourself from the floor and stand up.
4900h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdbp- <20:58:50.484>
You stand up and stretch your arms out wide.
chant puer head
4900h, 7900m, 7040e, 10p exkdb- <20:58:50.609>
As you chant the ritual of Puer over your head, you feel your skin tighten,
tendons knit together and bones strengthen.
4900h, 7600m, 7040e, 10p xkdb- <20:58:51.093>
Diamante has writhed free of his entanglement.
4900h, 7600m, 7040e, 10p xkdb- <20:58:51.718>

Holding a warrior's iron greatsword poised at an angle overhead, Diamante
apply health to head
unleashes a violent assault at your head. Diamante strikes through your neck
like it's butter, and your view of the world suddenly spins wildly as your head
flies through the air.
As your severed head hits the ground, you thankfully succumb to death.
You have been slain by Diamante.
**********************************************************
You have been defeated and are thrown out of the Arena.
**********************************************************


So on the first hit, my leg tendon was severed and I couldnt do anything due to the delayed cure until after his second hit went through which was a swing to the head. I webbed him then puered my head just to be safe, his next hit is an assault and I am beheaded. My hood was up, and I was parrying my head 100, stanced legs, the whole spar. I just dont see why the hell such things can occur, there's no way to beat that unless you are another knight or something, robes just don't cut it.

I swear if I see one more of these logs before changes get put in im going to go crazy, we understand we know how overpowered it is you can look at 20 other logs that a 500+ precision weapon which Diamante had can kill someone extremely quickly definetly when assault gives more wounding like lunge. Ill say it again cap greatswords and greataxes, stop assault and sweep from giving behead and get rid of the wounding bonus in assault and sweep and make it something else and we will have no problem.

Encyclopedia Crynus-icca

There are few issues that need to be considered here really. Kharvik, your tendon curing was flawed and you should fix that as soon as possible. Also you should be aware that the only way he can really kill you is by behead so be careful about every last head strike, you should have atleast atleast applied health after he jabbed you, you had no reason not to. Oh yeah, Diamante also has a wound damage potential that can not be attained by most other warriors since he has a champion helm.

Though I'm not saying that quick beheads are fair or right, but I just don't like some of the sweeping suggestions such as Deangelo's. They seem to be merely reactionary and lack proper forethought.

what's a PB?

Yeah, you are right I should have applied health instead of sipping there; though what is the flaw in my severed tendon curing? Thought regen to legs is how it's done.

And Crynus, this is a free forums, if anything this was just a rant of mine that I felt the need to show off to people. I know it's been bitched to hell and back, but if people don't keep up with the examples of this happening I can't help but feel like the problem won't be addressed very quickly.

Pureblade.

Well, I would note that pureblade's don't seem to think this particular avenue is a problem, as it certainly hasn't stopped being used.

I seem to recall a time when sap worked on the ground and trees, and the one or two times a druid actually used this 'overpowered' combination was widely condemned. Is this terribly different?

Not sure exactly why you were applying mending before it was cured. Not sure if you have to apply mending at all, really, but either way the mending wasn't doing anything. Probably what he was talking about.

oh ok. Sorry if I hijacked the thread with my brain fart induced question

He never even applied that regeneration according to the log, and the tendon was cured by allheale. Which seemed more like more a unintended result of another trigger than any defensive adaptation on Kharvik's part.

Pureblades are not bugged sap was a bug as I understand it?

Pureblades only insta kill is behead, saying stop going for behead is nothing at all like saying stop using sap on the ground its more like saying stop using sap at all.

EDIT: tidyed up the post a bit

Holding a warrior's iron greatsword poised at an angle overhead, Diamante
unleashes a violent assault at your right leg. Diamante strikes the tendon above
apply regeneration to legs
your right heel, and you scream in agony as it's completely severed.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
drink health


He applied, I am not sure why it didn't go through though, and if it did maybe it was gagged.

Applying mending dosnt do anything odd to regeneration does it? Like resetting it or something?

So? There are other ways to kill.

I just want to explain why this keeps getting brought up. Obviously there is some bug involved, as we know that two hits should not be enough to facilitate a kill. As long as a bugged skill is still being used, then expect complaints.

Its not a bug, Its imperfect design. Can't get everything right all the time can you.

What other ways can a pureblade kill high level people than behead though?

You're talking semantics.

This is not supposed to happen. Yet it does. I call that a bug.

If you don't rely on behead, can't you still kill non-knights with damage, and try and screw up people with the various wound afflictions? That isn't counting one's tertiary skill.

also if you had've cured the tendon quicker, you could've been able to puer twice also, since you can't seem to do it while prone anymore unless i'm wrong.

On that note, Diamante got a lucky behead on me the other day, so yeh it's kinda retarded at the moment. If you can keep your head on though, pureblade's don't -really- have anything dangeous to hit you with. Against pureblade's i have only ever died to a lucky behead where i didn't puer when i should've, no other method do they have to kill anyone.

EDIT: And no, its not a bug. A bug would be a skill not behaving as the ab file suggests. The pureblade file doesn't specify that it's not meant to behead quickly. Its an imperfect skill design that gives a higher chance than is good for balancing, it is not however an error in coding.

Also if you tell me ever that my tertiary skillset should have some sort of abhility in it to help me kill anyone one on one i'm going to stab you in the throat. While necromancy sucks as hard as it does at the moment, you can't expect anyone to 'use' it.

You aren't going to screw anyone decent up with pureblade afflictions Avaer, to insinutate that you can and get a kill is just silly. Also, no-one has ever said no-one is supposed to be able to behead in 2 assaults, The idea behind wounding is if you wound someone high enough you can behead them. There is no bug, just a mere imbalance.

Its not a bug it looks like it was designed to be this way kind of, but they didn't count on very strong percision weapons with other wounding modifiers being capable of getting a behead in two hits. Didn't they say they were going to look at weapons to fix the problems? Its not really semantics its nothing like being able to sap on the ground, sap was never designed to be used on the ground but pureblades look like they were designed to use assault to get a behead if you want to ask them to stop doing anything don't ask them to stop beheading ask them to stop using high precision and artifact weapons which are the problem not assault isn't it?

Thats just what I thought was the issue anyway I may be wrong though but I thought the problem was with the very high precision and artifact weapons.

i'll say again, a pureblade has no other method with which to kill anyone who can ever cure midly decent.

Assuming trans skills, he can't slitlock, and i have never seen a decent combatant get double amputated in a one on one fight.