Powerstones

by Narsrim

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Narsrim2006-03-20 08:20:39
I vote you should be able to mastercut up to 2-3 powerstones instead of just 1 at a time. They seem pretty rare and well, it'd make jewelers money and they are just needed in-game.
Aiakon2006-03-20 11:07:17
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 20 2006, 08:20 AM) 271449

I vote you should be able to mastercut up to 2-3 powerstones instead of just 1 at a time. They seem pretty rare and well, it'd make jewelers money and they are just needed in-game.


I disagree. Rare is good.. at least from my perspective.

Selling powerstones at 2000 per, I pay for all my raw gem costs just through powerstones. Thus, I can afford to buy more gems and cut them whenever powerstones are needed. There are -always- powerstones in my shop, and as and when they run out, I put more in. Selling Powerstones & Gems, I make a MINT. If we were to increase the number of powerstones.. I'd do very much less well.

It may just be that currently Magnagora has the advantage on this one.. but I'm selling Powerstones, Corbenic keeps advertising on market to sell em, and I think Navaryn has some to sell as well. Ialie sells them periodically.. (and massively undercuts me mad.gif) so does Gwynevere...
Unknown2006-03-20 12:57:26
I'm gonna agree with Aiakon here. At least now they have some real value and I can gemcut even though I can't sell any gems.
Cwin2006-03-20 13:25:56
A breakthrough: Another trade that's profitable!

As such, yes, it definatly should NOT change.

Vesar2006-03-20 18:15:56
I've been looking for powerstones for like 1 RL month to no avail. We need more in the game in general.
Unknown2006-03-20 18:37:36
QUOTE(Vesar @ Mar 20 2006, 07:15 PM) 271538

I've been looking for powerstones for like 1 RL month to no avail. We need more in the game in general.

Yet I sometimes can't sell mine for a few days. Funny stuff.
Richter2006-03-20 21:44:11
Put them in my store, and they'll be gone in an hour.
Narsrim2006-03-20 21:58:01
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Mar 20 2006, 06:07 AM) 271473

I disagree. Rare is good.. at least from my perspective.

Selling powerstones at 2000 per, I pay for all my raw gem costs just through powerstones. Thus, I can afford to buy more gems and cut them whenever powerstones are needed. There are -always- powerstones in my shop, and as and when they run out, I put more in. Selling Powerstones & Gems, I make a MINT. If we were to increase the number of powerstones.. I'd do very much less well.

It may just be that currently Magnagora has the advantage on this one.. but I'm selling Powerstones, Corbenic keeps advertising on market to sell em, and I think Navaryn has some to sell as well. Ialie sells them periodically.. (and massively undercuts me mad.gif) so does Gwynevere...


Monopoly is good, at least from Bill Gate's perspective too. However, to everyone else, it isn't.

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However, the point is that powerstones are drastically hurting other tradeskills. While jewelers may be gaining and upper hand, people are quitting enchanting left and right because its just not fun or affordable for the average person to actively participate in their trade. I usually have powerstones available; however, I find it disturbing that people are telling me they quit X tradeskill solely because it just wasn't possible to aquire sufficient powerstones since the gnome event to do anything about it.

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No tradeskill should be 100% dependent on another. Enchanting is. Alchemy is to a lesser extent.
Athana2006-03-20 22:06:53
Actually powerstones really are not hard to acquire if you are willing to pay enough. I, myself, have about 150 in my storeroom so...now that powerstones are more expensive doesn't that just mean enchanters and alchemist need to charge more?
Daganev2006-03-20 22:37:24
hmmm, whenever I want powerstones I just buy uncut gems and then pay a minimal fee to get gems and powerstones.. I then make vials and sell them...

Every trade relies on other trades, its the way it goes.. How are enchanters "reliant" on jewlery? They can get powerplex gems or make deals with thier communities by doing powerquests...
Unknown2006-03-20 22:59:36
So enchanters should raise their prices. That's all there is to it. They were making lots of gold earlier anyway.
Narsrim2006-03-20 23:00:43
This is a moot point with cubes. Enchanters CANNOT raise their prices because jewelers with shops undercut them with cubes, which they can produce powerstones to power.

Unknown2006-03-20 23:08:59
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 21 2006, 12:00 AM) 271620

This is a moot point with cubes. Enchanters CANNOT raise their prices because jewelers with shops undercut them with cubes, which they can produce powerstones to power.

Enchanters should ask more just for filling the cube then.

Besides, market changes in time. I remember when I couldn't sell my powerstones for 400gp, there was so many jewelers. Current situation is not so much the result of scrolls as the jewelers quitting their tradeskill because they couldn't make enough gold (or just went inactive). There was a time when enchanters were making 300% gain, or so.
Narsrim2006-03-20 23:33:29
QUOTE(Kashim @ Mar 20 2006, 06:08 PM) 271630

Enchanters should ask more just for filling the cube then.

Besides, market changes in time. I remember when I couldn't sell my powerstones for 400gp, there was so many jewelers. Current situation is not so much the result of scrolls as the jewelers quitting their tradeskill because they couldn't make enough gold (or just went inactive). There was a time when enchanters were making 300% gain, or so.


The point, which I feel is always missed, is that enchanting and alchemy are 100% dependent on other skillsets. This is pretty unfair to those skillsets. The power to enchant should be the same as alchemy so far as I am concerned. If someone could enchant a brooch for say 5% reserves instead of 25% reserves, it wouldn't matter so much, but enchanters are totally at the whim of jewelers.
Unknown2006-03-20 23:41:24
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 21 2006, 12:33 AM) 271638

The point, which I feel is always missed, is that enchanting and alchemy are 100% dependent on other skillsets. This is pretty unfair to those skillsets. The power to enchant should be the same as alchemy so far as I am concerned. If someone could enchant a brooch for say 5% reserves instead of 25% reserves, it wouldn't matter so much, but enchanters are totally at the whim of jewelers.

I had an alt once with a little alchemy - I was using personal reserves and it didn't cost so much power at all.
If it's really that bad with enchanting, perhaps they should ask for reducing the cost when it's personal power they spend. Like, in envoy reports.

Increasing the number of cut powerstones will cause overflow.
Narsrim2006-03-20 23:44:28
QUOTE(Kashim @ Mar 20 2006, 06:41 PM) 271643

I had an alt once with a little alchemy - I was using personal reserves and it didn't cost so much power at all.
If it's really that bad with enchanting, perhaps they should ask for reducing the cost when it's personal power they spend. Like, in envoy reports.


Are you a jeweler? If so, can you honestly say that your personal bias to make gold and have an advantage over others isn't clouding your opinion - just a little?

I don't see how you can expect anyone to take you seriously. Your argument seems the more rare powerstones are, the better it is! -wrong-
Unknown2006-03-20 23:48:17
The last time I had a few rings enchanted my enchanter used up 87% reserves, and I'm really a small consumer compared to others. There is really no way an enchanter can function without power stones. Even if you had 5 powerplex jewels, it really isn't all that applicable.

QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 20 2006, 06:44 PM) 271646

Your argument seems the more rare powerstones are, the better it is! -wrong-


Obviously when I see half the alchemists in Serenwilde give up and half the enchanters in celest give up there is a problem.

Edit:It just took me almost 2 weeks to find a cosmic enchanter who *gasp* had powerstones.

When people are practically begging for service, and the supplyers say "sorry, I want to serve you but I can't, because there are no powerstones." It's obviously a problem.
Navaryn2006-03-20 23:54:02
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 20 2006, 06:33 PM) 271638

The point, which I feel is always missed, is that enchanting and alchemy are 100% dependent on other skillsets. This is pretty unfair to those skillsets. The power to enchant should be the same as alchemy so far as I am concerned. If someone could enchant a brooch for say 5% reserves instead of 25% reserves, it wouldn't matter so much, but enchanters are totally at the whim of jewelers.


So, what do you suggest as a solution? Reducing the enchant cost when using reserves?
Unknown2006-03-21 00:07:38
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Mar 21 2006, 12:44 AM) 271646

Are you a jeweler? If so, can you honestly say that your personal bias to make gold and have an advantage over others isn't clouding your opinion - just a little?

I don't see how you can expect anyone to take you seriously. Your argument seems the more rare powerstones are, the better it is! -wrong-

Are others not biased? They want to buy stuff as cheap as they can, not taking merchant's interest into account.
Are you saying the situation when I'm close to covering the cost of raw gems I need with powerstones I get from them wrong, but the situation when enchanters were making several hundred % gain on each and every charge was alright? For reference - getting powerstones for 400gp (4gp per charge), enchanting for 30-50gp (makes even 1000% gain).

And it's not my argument. I'm selling powerstones at 2000gp, and people buy it. Yet they're not being all bought out as soon as I get them - it means there's no real shortage.

Traders come and go, every once in a while there'll be a situation where there's too little people with one particular tradeskill while too many with the other. You can't dynamically change skills to make it fit in a current situation. As for the powerstones - I refuse to believe scrolls made so much a difference. It's the fact there's less jewelers, who quit because generating profits from jewelry became impossible for many of them at some point.


QUOTE(Wesmin @ Mar 21 2006, 12:48 AM) 271647

Obviously when I see half the alchemists in Serenwilde give up and half the enchanters in celest give up there is a problem.

Edit:It just took me almost 2 weeks to find a cosmic enchanter who *gasp* had powerstones.

When people are practically begging for service, and the supplyers say "sorry, I want to serve you but I can't, because there are no powerstones." It's obviously a problem.

I dare to say they're just greedy. I had few people tell me something along the lines "It's an outrage! I won't buy!" (the price is 2000gp). On the other hand, there are some who buy and prosper.

There's a lot of full kegs and potions in vials in both Magnagora and Glomdoring. I've seen them today. What's the alchemy problem again?
Diamondais2006-03-21 00:12:58
The matter is that there are little to no powerstones and those that are available seem to be not able to be bought by many Celestian Enchanters, I know Aiakon suggested we go to his shop but its not feasible due to the amount of Celestians that get enemied, the current Celestian mindset, and the stance that each Nation has. I went searching for powerstones the other day for myself and my daughter, I am an Enchanter and she is an Alchemist. The only ones I was able to find that are open to me, as a Celestian, were some in Rashidats manse which were priced at 10k. That price I cannot afford. Enchantment is a drain on reserves and I never remember to draw, so Im left with no option to enchant until Im truely desperate for a sigil. More around would be nice, and a less drain on reserves without would be nice as well. But I have to wonder..would either change be feasible..

Even a small percentage of likelyhood of cutting one would be nice, Ive been a Jeweler with Powerstone, I know how less likely you are to cut them. Its a pain trying to get some, and due to the lack of being able to supply myself as a jeweler I switched and will never go back as Diamondais. Maybe, if Im good with Nuria Ill take up Jewelry up to Gifted where Powerstone is.