Should be made invincible. Or should come back of his own accord. Or should just not die so easily. Or Narsrim should be shrubbed.

Any of these options are acceptable to me. Particularly the last one.

*gasp*

Narsrim is griefing again because after he spend over 2 hours collecting lantern fish, he has decided he doesn't want his result to vanish so soon. That bastard!

Then make Marilynth not invincible so we can just walk over and kill her, undoing your two hours of work as easily as you can undo ours.

Narsrim is griefing because he spent over two hours collecting lantern fish in the first place.

Anyway. I didn't say you were griefing. So Naaa.

If you'd bother to learn the quest, you'd know that you are making a flawed analogy.

Ladantine (right now) can be compared to Lanikai. Both can be slain.

Marilynth, once awakened, cannot be slain. However, Ladantine cannot be slain once the ship is up.

So, essentially, once we've done two hours of easily interruptable work, you can't kill Ladantine. Whereas you have to do.. what, exactly, to get an unkillable mobile?

Win the sea battle I think and then raise the ship?

Not sure exactly there may be something else

It is just as easy to screw up the marilynth end by killing lanikai, the sea horse, the clam, and the lantern fish as it is to kill Ladantine.

Yeah.. it's true enough. The quests are more or less balanced. What isn't balanced.. is that:

1) Glomdoring doesn't randomly do the Ship of the Dead Quest to hurt Celest, while Serenwilde DOES do the Marilynth quest to hurt Magnagora

2) Magnagora doesn't continuously sit there trying to screw up the Celestian efforts to stop the Dead ship, while Narsrim does.

It may take you 2 hours to set up Marilynth, but it takes something in the region of 150 devil fish to counteract that. So we're talking well in excess of 2 hours work by SEVERAL people to counter what you've done. Added to that, you then draw it out by killing Ladantine repeatedly.. and really just because you're OOCly bored.. and perhaps not a little bit OOCly malicious.

It is telling, Narsrim, that in your absence.. most of us (in Magnagora) had *much* more fun playing Lusternia. Not because we were winning, or because we were able to 'grief', ourselves, in an unrestrained manner.. but simply because we didn't have to waste time removing the Gorgogs EVERY month, or counter-acting Marilynth.

Understand?

Actually, at least one Glomdoring has raised the Ship of the Dead. It's not all that frequent but it has happened.

1. Imbalance is an issue of mechanics not attitudes. If you want Glomdoring to raise the Ship of the Dead - roleplay a reason for it. The only reason I raise Marilynth is because Lanikai, a dear friend of mine to whom I've spoke with on several occassions, is a Fae. She feels it best to raise Marilynth and given I need to call upon her assistance from time to time, I return the favor where I can. Lord Hajamin also held an aggressive stance towards Magnagora, which I have always upheld and will continue to do so. It is part of my character development, afterall.

2. I don't continually sit anywhere. If I notice someone trying to empower Ladantine, I step in and resolve the issue. I feel it only makes sense for me to banish his undead lichy self after spending time to raise Marilynth in the first place.

3. And while I may be influenced OOC because I have the time to spend in Lusternia at the moment, the reason I'm drawing it is out is because I did it for a reason. The entire point of the quest is to weaken Magnagora, which I fully intend to do.

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And finally, I haven't released the gorgogs since I came back. I have only helped raise Marilynth once since I have been back as well (which I didn't do by myself, I had help... who would have likely done it even without me).

Your overly dramatic concerns are transparent and void.

I accept those arguments. However I would remind you though that you as a player dictates what you as a character does. If you were feeling nice, you could perfectly easily RP your character wishing to kill Ladantine, but put reasons in the way. Perhaps Narsrim could get a really bad headache, or a urinary tract infection, or something that stops him leaving Ethereal with such dull regularity. In short, RP is NEVER a good enough excuse for behaving like a big pain in the bottom OOCly.



My dear Narsrim. For the last several hours you've sat in Ethereal chatting to the disciples of Klangratch, waiting for the corpse of Ladantine to leave your inventory so you can go and kill him again.



You might far more effectively weaken Magnagora by many MANY other means. The Necromentate is absolutely fine right now. Not being able to spike it isn't a truly large concern. However, losing all the damn spectres of spectre island destroys a bashing ground for our novices.



And equally, I have resisted the temptation to run round the neighbourhood murdering people's cats. Is this something that we should both be congratulated on?



And how long have you been back.. 2 days? How many opportunities have you had to raise Marilynth up to this moment? You grabbed the FIRST one that appeared.



My concerns are not. I've wasted a large portion of my morning. My dramatics are.. perhaps overstated. But I'm enjoying that particular style of argument currently - I'm sure you'll get used to it.

1. I will consider the urinary tract infection, but the bad headache is out.

2. I can chat, watch ladantine, watch pentu, harvest, and talk on AIM at once - thank you.

3. I can only raid Nil so many times. I did earlier, Torak turned sour about how I was "griefing." The emotional abuse forces me to adapt more creative approaches.

4. Novices don't bash spectre isle. Could we please stop using the: approach?

5. Perhaps you should mix up your rountine like myself. Instead of gorgogs, I'll release Marilynth and instead of murdering cats, you can go after something most interesting like small children.

6. I came back on Sunday. This is Thursday.

7. No comment.

Not just in Magnagora.

If only.

So far today I've spent about 5 to 6 hours in game. During those hours, I have:

1) killed devil fish - lots of them
2) raised Ladantine.. I think 3 times
3) been killed thrice attempting to break your demense on Nil

During those hours, I intended to.
1) bash lightly
2) write a library book
3) clear up some guild business.

End result: morning wasted.

Which leads me to the question. Why the sod should I bother?

Which leads me to the answer: Why indeed. Quit. This game saps time which would be better spent elsewhere.

The fact is, that ordinarily I greatly enjoy Lusternia. *However* it is very marginal. I do not have terrific amounts of time to waste, nor am I so utterly bored that I can think of no other ways to enjoy myself. When I'm enjoying Lusternia, which is most of the time, then it justifies itself. A morning like this morning DOES NOT. If I continue to have mornings like this morning, I will cut my losses and quit. I will resign my Guild position, my city position, and I will go into hibernation. I'm afraid there is nothing more to be said than that.

I do not require you to entertain me, Narsrim, but I do not wish you to piss me off excessively. There are certain lengths to which you can go, and then I have fun and I enjoy myself. However you have pushed TOO FAR today, and I am OOCly annoyed. OOCly annoyed = I go elsewhere. I do not have the time nor the inclination to voluntarily do something which will only irritate me. It's as simple as that, and on your conscience be it.

No one says you have to raise Ladantine or have to defend Nil.

The same RP that makes you release the Gorgogs/raid Nil/etc, is the same RP that forces me to do something about it. And in this instance, a urinary tract infection isn't sufficient excuse. Anyway, I'm annoyed. You don't need to take the last comments personally because to be honest I don't really hold you responsible. Lusternia is conflict based.. and that's great. Just sometimes.. it annoys me.

Edit: Actually, morning not totally wasted. I did wind up Munsia.. indeed, I felt that more or less justified her Nil demesning. But you are a naughty boy for joining in, Narsim, and you should be spanked.

Well then, find a more extreme reason. You are a geomancer... and given their history with madness, you can be so demented you just honestly could care less and would rather chase your cloak and make out-of-place noises.

One day, I should dearly like to do just that. However, it's out of the question if I want to hold on to GM.. which, for the moment, I do.

P.S Reply more slowly. I'm trying to cook my lunch.

Hrm... how about after a failed ritual to do X-important task, you are severely weakened. As such, you are seeking to recuperate and in doing so retire to your library to handle guild affairs until you are again healthy enough to deal with such trivial matters as some immortal spirit and minor demons on Nil who are disrepectful and ugly anyways.