Blend Wrack and Absolve. Make it so absolve doesn't cost power when it fails, and only cost five. Remove Wrack's bound requirement. They'll be mirrors, just with different messages, but eh. Also, Lich. Once you put it up, make it permenant. On death, you suffer conglut xp loss. You then become a permenant soul, who has to walk to a mausoleum/graveyard style area and REFORM there. You can pray if you're trapped, I suppose, to become normal again. During the day you get a small, constant willpwoer drain (Five or six or something, just enough to be a token) as well as a random drain from health/mana/ego. You lose the usual 1 int/1 str. At night, get 1 con, but lose it during the day - no minus 2 con, just back to regular racial level. Get hte usual 2int2str bonuses at night.

I swear if toadcurse is the only non-guaranteed insta-kill left still costing power when it fails, I'll be pissed.

Bad ideas. They also won't happen. Lusternia thus far is all about: lets NOT carbon copy X.

I like the premisis of your lich idea, but what would you do if you liched on astral/ethereal/celestia? There's no way you'd find a mausoleum type place to reform. The absolve/wrack idea shouldn't be though. If you dont want to have your target bound, then I think the power cost for wrack should go up if anything, not down; and still have the power taken if you fail.

I'm sure Lisaera, if it was taken, would be beaten until she worked something out. Perhaps be forced to sit in one room for 30 seconds or so instead of reforming instantly in a maesoleum, only possible on the planes.

Inifinite lich = no.

It's not like it isn't already overpowered enough as-is.

Sacrifice is just as good, if not better then lich. Quit your whining over it. Although I'd like to remove the web requirement on wrack I can't see it happening in the next few months..

Yrael said they'd suffer conglut experience loss, more if they get trapped by eye sigils (although that's not going to happen, but whatever). That means they're actually losing something, as opposed to now, where they're...not. That's a good start.

Don't like the absolve/wrack thing though. Absolve is ALREADY quite a bit better than toadcurse, and that's strictly better, too.

I think we should just leave lich the way it is..

Agreed. Lich seems fairly stable and there aren't a great deal of complaints about it these days. No need for change.

Should leave lich alone, it seems fine as is.