---/16:16:14.312/ sap hits
---/16:16:14.578/ paralysis hits
start to focus body
+1 second to start it in sap
+1.7 seconds for it to go through
---/16:16:17.278/ you can start to cleanse
1 second for cleanse it to go through
---/16:16:17.278/this is the best posiable time to cure that sap with perfect curing and a 1.7 focus body
---/16:16:18.312/ is when a druid would be able to web

Best case curing and you have about 1 second ley way to get out of it, any screw up at all and the druid has sap locked you.


If you get the impatience rune to hit with sap and paralysis then against perfect curing and against trans discipline then it is posiable to keep someone sapped forever in your forest.


---/16:16:14.312/ sap hits
---/16:16:14.412/ Impatience hits
start to smoke coltsfoot
---/16:16:14.578/ Paralysis hits
---/16:16:15.412/ best posiable time to cure impatience
start to focus body
+1 second to start it in sap
+1.7 seconds for it to go through
---/16:16:17.770/ you can start to cleanse
1 second for cleanse it to go through
---/16:16:18.770/this is the best posiable time to cure that sap with perfect curing and a 1.7 focus body
---/16:16:18.312/ is when they would be able to web

And diamantes suggestion for allheale

---/16:16:14.312/ sap hits
---/16:16:14.412/ Impatience hits
start to smoke coltsfoot
---/16:16:14.578/ Paralysis hits
---/16:16:15.412/ best posiable time to cure impatience
drink allheale
+1 second to start it in sap
---/16:16:16.412 can start to cleanse not paraylsied any more
1 second for cleanse it to go through
---/16:16:17.412/this is the best posiable time to cure that sap with perfect curing and a allheale
---/16:16:18.312/ is when they would be able to web

So you have with perfect curing and allheale again one second to escape a sap lock. Once a decent druid can get a web on you while sapped they can easily keep you saped as long as they need. Other skills may be more benefical to use than web such as stagstomp

Either of these tatics wouldn't be to hard to pull off, you can easily time to avoid love and so on. No one has perfect curing and even with perfect curing it is very hard to get out of these, and again these are against druids with a neutral balance a mugwump or a furrikin or anyone with better speed would be able to perform sap locks like these show above much easier.

These timelogs also dont take into account any other afflictions you may get while under sap which would delay your curing.

Since druids cannot summon, I find fighting 1-on-1 is relatively easy. I draw them to the edge of the demesne and if something goes terribly wrong, you can always tumble out of the demesne. Once you are out, it is a lot easier to deal with.

That isn't a balancing factor Narsrim, thats a situational thing.

The fact that they are meant to be balanced 1v1 in a demesne with effects active, means that sap is overpowered especially since they can give it right back to you after you cure it.

I don't know. I've fought munsia many times. She has tried all of her sap tricks, and can either get out of it quickly, or I just tumble away and heal up outside.

Making it 6p, however, so you couldn't sap/sap would be fair.

you could still sap sap cause of power regen, i think at least 7 or 8 personally.

A druid shoud have more available to them apart from sap which kind of sucks.

6, 7 power is alright, in my oppinion. I think I even said so as a druid, so I am not too biased now, I'd say.

My point was that against a well timed sap you can't feasiable cure it inside a druids demence. Tumbling out is of course an option. And as hajamain said druids and mages are ment to be overpowered in a demence, just making a point to someone though.

I find that argumentation unfeasible. If that's the case, why am I not overpowered with my demon as opposed to being without it?

I wasnt the one who said it, but if the coders and designers intend druids to be overpowered while in a demensce then thats their decision.

The problem that arises with allheale is when a demesne is timed correctly, the allheale will cure the asthma before it cures the paralysis. Recalc now! Oh yeah, smoke colts with asthma? Hows that for a brain exercise?

Sap is 5p per pop so 2 back to back max really if you don't get out of the trees right away and the druid hits you with sap again.

I'd really like to see you just post an actual log, stating times is not quite enough for me, post a log of this perfect lock, and Ill show you were you messed up

No, with 6 power you couldn't sap-sap because you'd go to 4, and then take 16 seconds to get to 6 again.

I wish sap wasn't so above and beyond the effectiveness of all other Druid strategies.

Typical BT is going to use Scarab early on to help hinder curing, there's some power usage there and Eco users will be eating some power berserking their fetish. Don't know about the other skillsets or power eating skills Seren's have. So double sap is possible I guess but in the real world I can see too many factors that would probably make that not happen whether it be what the opponent or the what the druid does.

Wait, we have other strategies for people who can cure stacked afflictions and survive the piddly damage of cudgel?