I keep hearing people who make up random excuses for how OOC information affected IC actions.

Say, you have an OOC clan, something is said on that OOC clan, and someone acted ICly on it. Explanation? Well, they happened to think ICly about it.

No, sorry, they didn't. That's -exactly- why I despise most OOC clans. I may be out on a limb here but I am convinced that nobody, really nobody who is a member in an OOC clan will be able to keep the information broadcasted there strictly out of their IC affairs. I think that's quite obvious - once you know OOCly about something, it's tough not to react ICly on it. OOC clan tells you an event is happening somewhere? Why, you gotta see it, so your character "happens" to wander across that place randomly. OOC clan tells you an attack is coming someplace? Why, your character "happened" to rally the defences, or an unusually strong patrol "happens" to wander across the soon-to-be battlefield.

I know many of you are not RP fanatics, and I really won't ask for you to stop at every wee thing you do ICly and think, wait, is this REALLY IC? Still, there is a difference between saying, "my character went to a secluded valley to meditate on his goals" if you will be out of town for a few days IRL and want to explain your character's absence, and saying, "my character thought such and such" if it was really you reading about it on an OOC clan and decided to act on it.

Lusternia is a game you play for fun, so you use the occasional OOC info to make sure you get the most out of it, fine and dandy, really. I certainly won't pretend I'm not guilty of the occasional IC/OOC mixing either. Just, for crying out loud, cut the retarded excuses. If you are using OOC information in an IC action, at least have the guts to admit it OOCly. We all know you acted on OOC information, and making up random excuses for it or justifications is just lame.

Thanks and sorry for the ranty tone, this is just annoying me a lot lately, and I'm not even playing actively.

I agree completely - Except that this isn't an issue with OOC clans, it's an issue with OOC communication as a whole, including forums, messages, the IRC channel, and for some people, tells. If we can't trust our players to be mature enough to separate IC and OOC, we might as well do away with all types of OOC communication about the game.

If I make a public post that members of Bellator are no longer welcome in my manse, and I will be tuning a totem against them somewhere in the Serenwilde to determine who they are, can they react IC? Or will that make them an IC organization?

No, it'll just make you a petty pathetic retard. Leave the OOC channels if you don't like em, then don't bloody join them.



Also, it would make you incredibly OOC because it's an OOC clan.

But the fact that he can tune a totem against it makes it IC...

Unless Serenwilde is OOC?

And that its listed in honours...

But this is why I think each place should have thier own ooc combat clans and not have people mixing in them, but untill then, I enjoy them.

Ahem, okay, let's start this over because my point got lost in my train of thought of a post. Sorry if you possibly read my post and were going to reply to it?

I DO agree with Lomdomian. I don't think IC and OOC should mix. However I also think it's very hard to, in some situations, prove whether or not someone did actually mix them. Thus, I don't think you can ever expect someone to admit to something, or accuse them of lying unless you are 100% positive.

Going to agree with Lommy and Verithrax here (big surprise!).

psh you big pansies the lot of you. OOC clans are fine, you don't have to like them, just ignore them

People agreeing with me?

Better sum up my point again to make sure, seeing how this is turning into "OOC clans suck - do not - do so"...

I personally dislike OOC clans, I won't join one if I can help it (I guess )

If you like them, great for you, have fun.

If you use OOC information for IC actions, well, I'd rather you don't, it'd certainly improve things alot if nobody did it, but I'm well past hoping for it, so... meh

Just, don't tell me anything about how you justify your using OOC things ICly with some made-up IC justification, you know it's an excuse, I know it too, let's just leave it at that.

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Avaer: I do think it'd be IC. Clans as such as IC organisations, there is no way of telling whether a clan is IC or not, unless you ask, which in itself is then OOC information, and theoretically should not affect IC affairs. Ergo, as you ICly cannot know the clan is OOC, tuning your IC totem against an ICly existing clan and banning members of this clan from entering your manse ICly, that sums up as In Character for me.

Actually no, Bellator is an OOC clan. Elryn knows it as a player, so doing so would be using OOC info IC with a made up RP reason.

ERGO that's total bullshit hypocrisy and you should be ashamed of yourself. Stop posting this rubbish.

Heh, I would be worried if I find my leaders hanging out in clans that apposing leaders are part of...

Ofcourse the clan is hidden so its not a problem.

It is quite possible to maintain IC/OOC seperation. I've looked stupid, been hurt, and, quite frankly, had my IC life torn apart because I didn't find out about things IC. It is possible, and to be honest, it's non-seperation that is less common.

Except, in the case of Elryn, Bellatora Societas does not get spoken about in character, none of it's members parade to fight for Bellator Societas in character, and I cannot see a real motivation why Elryn the character would seek to ban a clan that quite frankly, no one would know about ICly.


OOC clans are one of the few reasons I manage to keep my sanity sometimes. At times they can detract from lusternia as a whole, but at the same time clans like Bellator have greatly increased many's enjoyment of the game. It was first and foremost a combat clan, and fighters for the most part join to chat about combat and whatnot. A large amount of envoys are in the clan, and a lot of us talk about our suggestions and other ways to nerf/upgrade things to try and achieve balance in our reports.

Isn't that fairly presumptuous? Who are you to tell someone that their roleplay is based on OOC. Can you read their minds? This isn't a rhetorical question, I'd really like to know if there is some reason you have judgement call on things like that.



Like Diamante said, no one ever talks about Bellator. Therefore yes, it -would- be OOC to ban us from anything just because we're in that clan. Especially because, wow, wouldn't he be bringing OOC IC, knowing that it's an OOC clan and not wanting to do with it? Obviously it's his call about his own manse, it won't bother anyone either way, but the part about a totem is just damn silly. I mean really, what would the justification for that be. "Umm, this clan is...full of warriors, I don't know anything about them but that's not cool."

Wow you people are hilarious. Get a life, really. Ban us from your manse, I doubt anyone could care less really.

Yea I agree Im totally against mixing ooc and ic like people like Exarius do with their ooc titles or how narasrim did when he threated ic action for posts on a forum and such, I on the other hand dont mind using ooc mediums to chat with fellow players because were all mature enough to keep ooc and ic different, for example anisu knows when Im attacking and raiding the water plane because she sees it on an ooc clan but she dosnt warn any one about it, neither does shammy.

Technically yes it would be ooc and bad roleplay to ban bellator from you mansce, because what reason do you have? You have no ic reason to not like bellator you dislike them because of ooc reasons so its bad roleplay to ban it and also as kaervas said no one really cares about you anyway so it wouldnt make a lot of difference at all

Bellator's a 100% OOC clan so taking any action against it would be stupid.

In any case, I know most of us do try to keep information separate. If I see Athana talking from Water on Bellator I don't rush up there to defend until someone tells me IC.

You do realize that bellators was used as an -example-... nobody intends to do anything, its just a highly quoted clan in the forums.

Its an OOC clan everybody knows that, but if statues are tuned against it, that does that mean your charachter isn't getting hit with the statue cause its all OOC? Get the concept or still no?

That doesn't make much sense, of course the statue is going to hit Kaervas. Unless the statues think "Hmm, that's an OOC clan, I'd better hit the player instead."