Okay, so an idea has occured. Some people seem to dislike the idea of the Avenger being so tightly controlled with people that have done crimes, as it restricts the killing of people who -deserve- to die. For example, Soll would rarely kill without a reason, yet Daereth - who has killed Serarn, killed novices in the city etc - has got him incredibly angry, and all of Celest agrees that he shouldn't be safe outside of Glomdoring. Yet he is. I've killed him all of once, which he vitae'd past and then ran away. Now he's free to do whatever he wants for the next month, and none of Celest can stop him. Thus, I raise this idea.

An organisation is able to veto the protection of the Avenger from an enemy. This would be a long process, thus only used on people who really deserve it. It would not be plausible to use it to bypass all of the Avenger program - it would still protect those who it is aimed at; the innocent.

An organisation must first hold a referendum, with the title: Beseeching Avechna for Ignorance of . This would have the answers 'Yes' and 'No' alone. At the end of the referendum, if it passes, the leader of the organisation can go to the Avenger and 'BESEECH AVECHNA FOR IGNORANCE OF FOR '. The reason should include the number of the referendum. This would then be logged, and the reason would be checked over by an Administrator. The Administrator would do a few things. One, he or she would decide if the claim is valid, and check the referendum passed to see if the votes for were in the majority. Two, he or she would decide for how long the Avenger should ignore his/her actions. An organisation would only be able to put out one of these headhunts at a time, and possibly not be able to do another for 6-12 IC months after the last finished. They would be only for use in extreme situations when the person has caused a huge amount of trouble to that organisation.


Thoughts?

I rather like it. Needs some tweaking though.


Oh, and I think suspect status should be reduced to like 10 days.


Though, the whole point of the avenger system was to limit administration involvement. They have enough to deal with as is.

Well, this would still have only very limited Administration involvement, due to the sparsity with which it could be used. It just feels as if a totally AI controlled system can't be diverse enough to deal with the number of variables involved in player combat. All the Admin would have to do is read the reason, check the results of the referendum, then decide how many months the person should be ignored by the Avenger. And remebering that the organisation can only have one of these headhunts at a time, and that there's a cooldown period afterwards, the Admin will only have to look at a reason from each organisation every so often. Oh, by organisation, I only meant guilds and communities. Not clans and cartels. So that's a maximum of four of these bounties per community, every 2 or so years.

Heh, although it'd be too easily abusable it'd be fun if 3 of the 4 major communities could brand someone anathema and for the next month the Avenger denies their claims.

No no no. Avechna -is- too restricting, but the answer isn't to allow an organization to bend the rules for the people it doesn't like (read: usually the most effective combatants).

I'd like to see more flexibility in PK on prime, not a group issue system.

For now, if it's IC frustration, just get other people in your city to kill him. You might have status, but its unlikely every other champion/defender does. If he's really killing your novices, then make it a city effort to bring him to justice.

If it's OOC problems that are being caused, such as targetting newbies randomly or making life hell for your new players, then issue him and let the admin apply an ooc punishment.

Remember when we captured Voron for stealing Shorlen's stuff? That's how you deal with repeated offenders.

I know beyond any shadow of a doubt that none of you have tried other forms of IC resolution.

Plus, despite any perceptions, you really can't run around farming kills of little people. Avechna provides limits for everyone. Too many suspects and you're in for a world of karmic hurt, especially someone as small as Daereth. Push the limits even farther and you end up peaced.

...or you prepare evidence and tell Xavius. I'm sure Daereth remembers what happened to Weylin.

Shouldn't he like.....stick up for other Gloms?

If we're going to have more PK rules, we better start recruiting Achaean lawyers.

The day I hear, "I've got cause on you!" I'm going to Imperian and never coming back.

Yeah, I don't quite agree with this one.... kill him in your city or on your turf somewhere.. no suspect. If that went into effect I could see half of Celest doing nothing but beseeching on behalf of certain people so that they could force pray people without consequence.

Must've missed the part where I said one person, with 6-12 months cooling off between beseeching.

Yeah guess I did

Eh. The only people who warrant that sort of thing are former citizens that run off with a large amount of city/guild gold or commodities, novice slayers, and bigtime griefers. I'm sure you could just issue a novice slayer to have them dealt with, so this would have very limited application.