Now, these are the two first tonal sketches of Baalphegar's symbol, which I'd refine and edit because, you know, you can never really finish a work. I won't, however, because you can spray chemical fixative on them! Anyway, I'd like to know which one sucks less.


The second one, with outlines that look like a drunken ocelot on crack did them:


Or the first, pathetically disproporionate one:


Note that the originals are both slightly bigger and much darker than those scans; if people think either one is good enough not to tear your eyes out when you see it, I'll probably scan it properly in a way that doesn't distort the colour.

I have to say the 2nd one looks nicer.

Whats the descrip?

EDIT: Nevermind saw it on the other thread.

You should probably google image pictures of spider webs for some better ideas than these.. cause they're currently sort of bland.

Here's a tip: Don't drink or snort crack before attempting to do art *sagenod* (though I guess it might help some people...)

Hrm, I don't know how interesting you can make a spider web look, because, well, it's a spider web. Buut I will say that your second drawing looks nicer, the one without the rectangle in the middle.

Oh, I'm going for the 'crude stone carving' sort of look. Actual spider web is impossible to draw, at least with pencil, with any shade of realism, specially if it's resting on an opaque surface.

going by the image in my head of Baalphegars symbol, I would say that neither picture is quite what I imagined, although the second one comes sort of close.

What are the differences?

I'd suggest limiting the spiderweb to only part of the stone - if you can't draw one, then might as well make it smaller. Make up some cool looking runes and have them encircling the edges, or something.

Ah, runes. I knew I missed something.

it's sort of hard to describe the image in my head. It's sort of like the webs are part of the tome with the spider on it, but in a twisted and freaky way

The image I posted was to show how yo ucan have a spider web that looks cooler. More geometric, less "stereotype" web.

yeah, Baalphegars web wouldn't be all perfect, it would be crazy and twisted with bits of dead things caught in it

Take three:


And the blurred version:


The book now actually looks like a book, yay. Even though I don't like the idea of Balphy's book being open, there's no other way to make it look like one while keeping the bidimensional, carved out look I'm going for.

very nice, you've inspired me.

Have you got your glasses on?

Thanks.