I make this poll because of the grievious imbalances that plague Ethereal. In my mind, Etherwilde and Etherglom need to be taint/floodable. Don't touch Faethorn, no one cares about that, keep it unmeldable, but the organization continents NEED to be meldable for game balance!


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Yes. For the love of christ, let them be taint/floodable and meldable.

Make Etherglom/Etherseren floodable/Taintable/wyrdable/forestable/ownable!

Now, since the poll is so obviously biased, I have decided to be biased as well. Vote no!

(I prefer the suggestion that Forren WILL BE ENVOYING *prod*, to be honest.)

I agree....

And Jack, your avatar looks like someone who would have been in Trainspotting. Better yet Leo DeCaprio on herion

Im undecided on the matter so until that point. Theres both good and bad sides to either, and btw Celest killed Luna earlier so its obviously easier for you to get in now.

That's his RL picture.

If it was melded by a competent druid (the person who had it melded was a lowbie) there would have been NO WAY for us to kill Luna. NONE.

THIS IS NOT THE SERENWILDE VS.CELEST THREAD. PLEASE TAKE ALL PERSONAL ATTACKS/GENERAL ASSHATTERY TO THAT THREAD. THANK YOU. /hijack

It's relevant, since we're discussing how the fact that it can't be flooded/tainted makes it easier to defend.

Anyway: Just make both Ethereal and Elemental meldable. Boom, instant balance.

Its fine how it is currently if you guys are going to brag about it on the Seren-Celest War thread and then bitch about it here. Who gives a damn anymore, let them move on to other areas and leave Faethorn the hell alone. Its been changed way more times than Cosmic or Elemental planes have and its just an all consuming place that only recieves bitching no matter whats done by one party or another.

So my vote is no, leave it as it is for -once-

I agree with Sham. It would make that instant balance, but I don't think the admin would go for that *shrug* I still say that balance > realism, though.

eh? with how big ethereal(the whole plane) is compared to nil or celestia there is no way to beat people completely off of it, and no way to guard all the entrances, heck a rival org lets raiders flee there if they need to, they can always hop around with one of the MANY forms of mystic travel, or even Tesseract one plane away to prime.

All of this, and quite more you don't realize yet, and on the other hand you have "but we can't demense" you bloody well don't need to when the avatars fall that quickly.

Oh, and don't make me go into painful detail about the Prime forestal defenses, or lack there of.. Remember how every single thread on how the forests should have more defense on prime was chalked down to "but the ethereal planes are fortresses" well not anymore.

What entrances? There's the archway and the aetherdock, and that's it.

The lack of demesnes prevents us from doing any kind of prolonged raid in which we kill everything there, which can be done with Celestia/Nil.

As for prime defenses, three words: Flow With Guards. kthxbai

Yay for ignoring all the imbalances in Celest's favour like always! Of COURSE you can ignore the fact that Avatars are VASTLY weaker than Supernals/Demonlords (You killed Luna in an active druid demesne when more people than that failed to kill Gorgulu, the easiest of the demonlords to slay, while in a FRIENDLY demesne). Ignore again the fact that you can make hermits/spores to Etherwilde and to the Aspects, and there is no way to stop you from using them. Don't say that it's harder to get in, because it only is the first time. You get a ship there when noone's around, make some spores or hermits, and you have an instant back door we can't stop no matter what.

Oh, wait! We can use about 150+ monolith sigils and cover the entire plane! Oh... wait, no, Celestians can disenchant, and city people are the only ones who can sell sigils.

You can also dreamweave in, but we managed to secure enough eye sigils, though again we had to get them from a city.

When we kill a Supernal, it takes you how much essence to restore them? To restore an Avatar, we need 150 silvery essence. Where do we get this? From the creatures of the Etherwilde who 1- don't usually drop essence like their supposed to, 2- are VERY rare, 3- require a lot of effort on our part to make them appear, 4- don't leave corpses that can be milked for essence, 5- to create, require us to give fae to the Avatars (see a problem here?). We instead have to gather essence from the elemental planes. which means raiding Water, unless we want to start a war on two fronts.

Right, COMPLETELY unbalanced in our favour

I thought Forren had an upgrade to Trueground for mages/druids suggested where you can break a demesne in the unmeldable places. That sounds like a good compromise to me?

This is why I said I agreed with Forren's suggestion.

When I saw Trueground.. I was like "OMG! FINALLY! THERE IS A GOD!!!11"

Then I realized it only reset terrain back to normal. Didn't break melds.

So I slit my wrists and quit Lusternia.










Actually, I just thought it should be changed. If Etherglom/Etherseren can't be floodable, at least allow us to break existing demesnes. I would prefer having flood/taint be used to break it rather than trueground.