Bards should have special race bonuses like Merians in Celest and Faelings in Glomdoring. Druids should as well. Even though bards are still fairly new they should still be affected by the race changes...even if a new one has to be made. Anybody else agree?

Yes

Looks like the ayes have it.

What's that about druids?

faeling bards should get bonuses to charisma and dexterity

Never mind, was thinking in left field. Druids get the bonuses. Merians should get higher constitution and....higher constitution.

It simple, upon learning the specialization of the music skillset, they should get a stat change.

Merians shoud get nerfed

NNNOOOOO!

No I dont think they should, for one, no one will ever be a Viscanti bard ever unless for pure roleplay since they really suck, they're worse then orclach for a bard, no amount of racial spec will change that. I

f you give racial spec, it will make Faelings, Elfen a lot better, I mean, faeling's already have high charisma and dex, adding on Limber and BardicPresence, gives a Faeling 20 dex and 18 charisma, then you add on racial specs to that, your giving them basically already two 20+ stats.

There is no reason for bards to get racial specializations, there are plenty of fine races for them already, Aslaran, Faeling, Human, they are all fine races for them, though I'm not sure if Humans stat bonus has been set for bards or not.

Bards should simply receive the same spellcaster specializations other classes in their city or commune already do.

If they get new specs, I hope at least Shadowfaelings don't receive charisma boosts. Ugly little imp blighters aren't more charismatic than alluring half-nature spirits.

No, but they sure are smarter. Shadowmurmur faelings should get extra int and con.

Seriously, though, bard racial specs are really needed. Unspecced faelings are kinda worthless.

Unspecced faelings are NOT worthless. Having been one for a bit now...they're better for several things than furrikin straight out, and furrikin is a pretty solid race. I can only imagine how godly it would be to have MORE stats with them.

What? I'm suffering as one hoping a bard spec'll come a long. Tell you what - I'll even take extra int and dex.

EDIT: What on earth is godly about 2800 health at lvl 84? That sip bonus isn't worth much when you get one-shotted all the time.

So mag gets shafted once again then, eh?

Bards were a class introduced after the start of modern times, there is no logical reason for them to have specializations within those races.

If your going to give them the mage specs, wow, Viscanti get what, 12 Charisma, , -8- dex, and 15 intelligence, wow, such a great bard race really.

Compared to all the other specialized races, unless you are going to give Viscanti a separate bard spec, which basically increases their charisma and dex with basically no negatives, I doubt it will work, hell, they'd be worse then Orclach, orclach have at least a high dex score.

Bards are pretty decent for most of the other races that are not specialized, as I said, Aslaran, Orclach, Tae'dae even, unspec'd Elfen and Faeling are probably two of the better ones, I dont see why we want to make them even better.

Bards were a class introduced after the start of modern times, there is no logical reason for them to have specializations within those races.


Yeah, Glom shouldnt have specs either.


Speccing can entirely change a race, just give the admin time to figure it out. I know they havent forgotten, and if they have, we have just reminded them.

I doubt they mean not to spec bards... but if not, their call.

Well, the point of specializations is that if you choose the 'nation' race, you can switch between all guilds in that nation without sacrificing viability. So it is both logical and necessary that bard classes receive specializations in the same race, so that a Viscanti cacophonist is a good choice, as with the other orgs.

Glomdoring was introduced after the start of modern times, there is no logical reason for Faelings to have specializations within those races. Yet, the event that led to Glomdoring's inception included a brief explanation for these imp-like shadow faelings (though no real explanation for how the "natural" faelings spontaneously grow bat wings and get glowing red eyes as soon as they take a specialization), allowing Glomdoring to have a specialization. Bards could have something similar: a fragment of Divine Song or similar plot device transforms existing elfen/faelings/viscanti/merians into more charismatic, nimble versions of themselves.

For a Viscanti to be a viable choice, you would need to raise their dex to about maybe 16, raise their charisma to 14-15, and intelligence to 14, keeping everything else probably the same, maybe sacrifice size and strength, and possibly a point of con, that would make them on par with faelings as they currently are, but this of course will never happen, because that's basically giving them +6 dex, +4/5 Cha, +2-3 Int, with like -1 str, and -1 Con, not very balanced, compared to the other Viscanti specs.

If Faelings and Elfen get -any- more nimble and charismatic, there will not be any Viscanti or merian bards -ever-. As I said before, 18 dex and 16 charisma as a base, adding on specialization stats, and limber and BardicPresence, that's already both stats easily over 20. Elfen are not that extreme, but they are already high in both dex and Charisma. Merian are a bit better then Viscanti but they lack dex. The only way to actually add in a balance spec would be to give it only to City bards, since commune bards are already better then most other races if you use Elfen or Faeling.