Nerec2007-01-18 17:52:28
Greetings everyone
After spending quite a lot of time on Achaea i've noticed that it's incredibly dull and boring. While i love that it's almost bugfree but the lack of conflict there really gets to me.So i want to try Lusty and i'm looking for advice.
I've been a Grook Magi there and i loved that the class didn't need any money to fight. All defences came from mana, didn't have to buy any weapons armors, etc. I would like to play something similiar here. An equivalent of Grook Mage (but gods not that boring!Something with diffrent skills! I don't want to rely on one macro for the entire fight) or Horkval Monk. So nice bashing and relatively easy pk without spending gold(if it's not possible then not too much gold). I would also want to play a class that's not a copy of Achaeas Mage, playing a very similiar class would defeat the purpose of starting here.
Since the release of Dreamweaving i was fascinated by that skill but at the time it was one of the buggiest. Has it changed now? Is it hard to try to kill someone with it?
So please help me find that good Race/class/guild combination. I will be really grateful.
After spending quite a lot of time on Achaea i've noticed that it's incredibly dull and boring. While i love that it's almost bugfree but the lack of conflict there really gets to me.So i want to try Lusty and i'm looking for advice.
I've been a Grook Magi there and i loved that the class didn't need any money to fight. All defences came from mana, didn't have to buy any weapons armors, etc. I would like to play something similiar here. An equivalent of Grook Mage (but gods not that boring!Something with diffrent skills! I don't want to rely on one macro for the entire fight) or Horkval Monk. So nice bashing and relatively easy pk without spending gold(if it's not possible then not too much gold). I would also want to play a class that's not a copy of Achaeas Mage, playing a very similiar class would defeat the purpose of starting here.
Since the release of Dreamweaving i was fascinated by that skill but at the time it was one of the buggiest. Has it changed now? Is it hard to try to kill someone with it?
So please help me find that good Race/class/guild combination. I will be really grateful.
Kharaen2007-01-18 18:16:01
QUOTE(Nerec @ Jan 18 2007, 12:52 PM) 374728
Greetings everyone
After spending quite a lot of time on Achaea i've noticed that it's incredibly dull and boring. While i love that it's almost bugfree but the lack of conflict there really gets to me.So i want to try Lusty and i'm looking for advice.
I've been a Grook Magi there and i loved that the class didn't need any money to fight. All defences came from mana, didn't have to buy any weapons armors, etc. I would like to play something similiar here. An equivalent of Grook Mage (but gods not that boring!Something with diffrent skills! I don't want to rely on one macro for the entire fight) or Horkval Monk. So nice bashing and relatively easy pk without spending gold(if it's not possible then not too much gold). I would also want to play a class that's not a copy of Achaeas Mage, playing a very similiar class would defeat the purpose of starting here.
Since the release of Dreamweaving i was fascinated by that skill but at the time it was one of the buggiest. Has it changed now? Is it hard to try to kill someone with it?
So please help me find that good Race/class/guild combination. I will be really grateful.
I suppose the Grook equilivent if you want a slimey creature thingy would be Merian or Mugwump. Mugwumps are frogpeople, Merians are fishpeople. There are many fine dishes made from mugwumps.
Dreamweaving is a Druid skill, not a Mage skill...There's kind of a difference in Cities and Communes. And from what I hear, it's very hard to kill with Dreamweaving. Most Druids go with Ecology (for the Transmigration trans skill, your bond animal dies instead of you, resulting in no loss of exp and a safe exit), or with Runes (simple way of fighting involving making runes and flinging them with a slingshot or embedding them in your demesne terrain.)
Communes:
Warriors
Druids (Demesnes are different from groves, though)
Wiccans (Fae worshipers)
Bards
Cities:
Warriors
Mages (control water or earth for their demesne)
Demon pacters/Angel worshippers
Bards
Druids/Mages and Wiccans/Worshippers are the cheapest classes to have, mostly only requiring to buy greatrobes or leather armor for protection, and a shield.
Bards need to buy an instrument, and leather armour. Instruments can be pricey, but once you maestro to one, you can potentially make it last forever (duration extends as you play on it.)
Warriors are the most expensive class, by far and large, especially if you're a Tracker Warrior. Warriors need to buy armor, weapons, and poisons. Depending on how good you want your weapons/armor to be, you could be spending 500k easily on a pair of hunting/fighting weapons, armor, and scabbards. Poisons luckily can be cheap, save maybe charybdon and escozul.
Trackers are expensive because of the comms of their traps, and the definate use of traps.
The classes on Lusternia are very different from the classes on other IRE games, I'm pretty sure. I know that Druids greatly differ from each other, and even Warriors differ from Knights.
If you want a mage grook equilivent in Lusternia, however, I suggest going either Merian Aquamancer (Celest), or Mugwump Geomancer (Magnagora).
And welcome to Lusternia!
Daganev2007-01-18 18:16:28
The things you described don't exactly exist as far as I know. However none of the classes are like Achaea classes.
That said.. stay away from Warriors and Bards. (they require lots of gold)
That said.. stay away from Warriors and Bards. (they require lots of gold)
Noola2007-01-18 18:18:06
Well first... Hello! Glad to have you!
I don't know how to answer any of your questions, cause I'm 100% hopeless when it comes to fighting!
I want to say probably one of the Mages though. I'm probably completely wrong!
I do think that all the classes have to have some sort of gold investment though, don't they? I mean, enchantments, armor or greatrobes, scrolls, herbs, alchemy... all those things are necessary right? But making gold is fairly easy so there ya go.
I don't know how to answer any of your questions, cause I'm 100% hopeless when it comes to fighting!
I want to say probably one of the Mages though. I'm probably completely wrong!
I do think that all the classes have to have some sort of gold investment though, don't they? I mean, enchantments, armor or greatrobes, scrolls, herbs, alchemy... all those things are necessary right? But making gold is fairly easy so there ya go.
Hazar2007-01-18 18:21:35
Don't listen to Kharaen: mages can dreamweave too.
Kharaen2007-01-18 18:22:30
QUOTE(Hazar @ Jan 18 2007, 01:21 PM) 374739
Don't listen to Kharaen: mages can dreamweave too.
Really? I've never seen a Dreamweaving mage
Daganev2007-01-18 18:23:33
Sounds like you will want to go either wiccan or Guardian.
Oh wait no, you said you want good bashing also... You are going to want a High Charisma Mage then and choose psionics.
Oh wait no, you said you want good bashing also... You are going to want a High Charisma Mage then and choose psionics.
Hazar2007-01-18 18:23:57
QUOTE(Kharaen d'Attai @ Jan 18 2007, 12:22 PM) 374740
Really? I've never seen a Dreamweaving mage
Narsrim, I believe, is a dreamweaver right now (maybe?). It's just that mage dreamweavers are rarer because psionics is so WTFBBQPWN as a skillset.
Unknown2007-01-18 18:36:32
Most of the Aquas ex-dreamweavers are now bards >.> With that said though, bard bashing isn't so bad either (with illusions for reflection, dodging from acrobatics), I think it's more fun than mage bashing (I was a mage). It also has a strong basis in magic. Though for easy PK, er... not a great choice >.<
Soll2007-01-18 18:37:16
Narsrim's Telekinetic. Dreamweaving Mages are an option, but there aren't many. Psionics is, in most cases, the superior skillset.
Nerec2007-01-18 19:00:04
Wasn't talking about the slimey aspect of race hehh. I see that i think you don't have something like this here.
I meant that when someone asks a question like me everyone on Achaeas forums will answer Grook Magi or Horkval Monks because those are the biggest classes/easiest/superiorbashing AND pking then most of the other race/class combinations.
Ok so Warriors are out of the question. I think that Merian/Mugwump Psionic Mage would be the thing here(i'm just afraid a little that it would be kinda similiar to my old achaean Mage tho), of course i still would be grateful for more opinions.
I also forgot to ask this question. Which classes should i absolutely avoid? In achaea we have useless shamans,rather weak bards that almost no one wants to play. Anything like this here?
I meant that when someone asks a question like me everyone on Achaeas forums will answer Grook Magi or Horkval Monks because those are the biggest classes/easiest/superiorbashing AND pking then most of the other race/class combinations.
Ok so Warriors are out of the question. I think that Merian/Mugwump Psionic Mage would be the thing here(i'm just afraid a little that it would be kinda similiar to my old achaean Mage tho), of course i still would be grateful for more opinions.
I also forgot to ask this question. Which classes should i absolutely avoid? In achaea we have useless shamans,rather weak bards that almost no one wants to play. Anything like this here?
Unknown2007-01-18 19:22:25
QUOTE(Nerec @ Jan 18 2007, 01:00 PM) 374754
Wasn't talking about the slimey aspect of race hehh. I see that i think you don't have something like this here.
I meant that when someone asks a question like me everyone on Achaeas forums will answer Grook Magi or Horkval Monks because those are the biggest classes/easiest/superiorbashing AND pking then most of the other race/class combinations.
Ok so Warriors are out of the question. I think that Merian/Mugwump Psionic Mage would be the thing here(i'm just afraid a little that it would be kinda similiar to my old achaean Mage tho), of course i still would be grateful for more opinions.
I also forgot to ask this question. Which classes should i absolutely avoid? In achaea we have useless shamans,rather weak bards that almost no one wants to play. Anything like this here?
The admin here do a very good job of keeping things balanced, so you're not likely to find anything as overpowered as a grook magi (diamondskin FTW). A lot of the skills have tradeoffs - for example, with telekinetics you can be a very good basher because of forcefield, but you won't be as good in PK.
Basically, there is no easy 'pick this combination to be amazing at everything without much work.' Everything is pretty well balanced, except for the bards, because they are a very new class here.
Summary: no bards or warriors, they take more money and are hard to balance. Go with wiccan/druid/guardian (what Kharaen called worshippers)/mage. Mages are different here, since they and druids can set up demesnes (think groves, but not quite as powerful) which extend for several rooms. Wiccans have fae, kind of like occie ents (but again, not quite as scary), and other spirit-type skills which don't really have a parallel in Achaea.
Basically, I'd say go faeling > geomancer, then get to trans telekinesis to be a pretty good basher, and you'll be able to hold your own in a fight, though you won't be amazing. This does require a mythical skill, before you get to forcefield you will be pretty squishy.
Nerec2007-01-18 19:30:37
Ahh that's good to hear. So Fealing Geomancer.
One more question - which skills will i learn? The specialisation system is something new to me. I can see geomancy,telekinesis,psionics on the scrying pool. How would the learning process start? For example as a geomancer you learn x then y then z to be a psionic or n to be a telekinetic. I don't know really at which skills should i look in the pool. heh Sorry for all those noobish questions
One more question - which skills will i learn? The specialisation system is something new to me. I can see geomancy,telekinesis,psionics on the scrying pool. How would the learning process start? For example as a geomancer you learn x then y then z to be a psionic or n to be a telekinetic. I don't know really at which skills should i look in the pool. heh Sorry for all those noobish questions
Fionn2007-01-18 19:36:35
From what I understand, Dreamweaving is also a less popular choice for mages not only because of the option of psionics, but because druid demesne effects and skills tend to work in syncopation with embedded motes more effectively than they do with mage demesnes and skills (though I could be wrong, as I've never played a druid - I just recall hearing something along those lines somewhere on the forums).
And yes, dreamweaving is still quite bad for trying to kill people unless they are AFK.
You will have to reach Master level in Psionics before moving on to Telekinetics. The way it works is:
1. Develop Psionics to Masters level
2. Choose either Telepathy or Telekinetics
3. Learn Telepathy/Telekinetics as a continuation of Psionics.
Elementalism works in a similar way for Geomancy and Aquamancy, except you can only get those if you're in the proper guild.
And yes, dreamweaving is still quite bad for trying to kill people unless they are AFK.
You will have to reach Master level in Psionics before moving on to Telekinetics. The way it works is:
1. Develop Psionics to Masters level
2. Choose either Telepathy or Telekinetics
3. Learn Telepathy/Telekinetics as a continuation of Psionics.
Elementalism works in a similar way for Geomancy and Aquamancy, except you can only get those if you're in the proper guild.
Nerec2007-01-18 19:38:21
Great! Thanks
Shorlen2007-01-18 19:39:28
Dreamweaving is terrible for aquas, but it can be really good for geomancers. Making someone exhausted and starving, and then using chasm, is a pretty sure way to make sure they die. It's amazing for druids too, in my opinion.
EDIT: Oh, and the cheapest class to be, in my opinion, is druid, which only takes a single fabled 75% skill to be reasonably good in PvP.
EDIT: Oh, and the cheapest class to be, in my opinion, is druid, which only takes a single fabled 75% skill to be reasonably good in PvP.
ferlas2007-01-18 19:39:34
QUOTE(Nerec @ Jan 18 2007, 07:30 PM) 374767
Ahh that's good to hear. So Fealing Geomancer.
One more question - which skills will i learn? The specialisation system is something new to me. I can see geomancy,telekinesis,psionics on the scrying pool. How would the learning process start? For example as a geomancer you learn x then y then z to be a psionic or n to be a telekinetic. I don't know really at which skills should i look in the pool. heh Sorry for all those noobish questions
learn Elementalisn- then learn geomancy
learn psionics- then learn telekinetic
Once you master elementalism a choice for geomancy will appear in skillchoice list. Once you master psionics a skillchoice list will show up telepath and telekinetic and then you'll pick which ever one you want.
Dreamweaving rocks for druids, blackout motes to delay the sap and constantly falling asleep causes proneness which prevents you curing sap which is kind of like an aeon effect. Dreamweaving just isn't as good for mages as it is for druids Fionn's right.
Daganev2007-01-18 19:40:13
Warriors are the best at both PK and Bashing since they use the exact same skills to be good at both Since the difference is your weapons and not your skill you don't sacrifice good PK ability with good Bashing ability etc. But they also cost the most.
You won't find one combo of race/class thats better than any other combo. You really should choose what type of RP/fighting style you want, and/or which classes require the least amount of artifacts, and/or gold usage.
I think you will get a better responce if thats how you worded your question.
You won't find one combo of race/class thats better than any other combo. You really should choose what type of RP/fighting style you want, and/or which classes require the least amount of artifacts, and/or gold usage.
I think you will get a better responce if thats how you worded your question.
ferlas2007-01-18 19:41:04
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Jan 18 2007, 07:39 PM) 374773
Dreamweaving is terrible for aquas, but it can be really good for geomancers. Making someone exhausted and starving, and then using chasm, is a pretty sure way to make sure they die.
Falling asleep dosn't do much though for mages, all it means is the target has to wake;stand. Geo's get hunger anyway and there are a fair number of defences for it remember. Dreamweaving blackout timed with chasm is quite nice though.
EDIT: But its a one trick pony kind of thing, no point taking an entire skill set for one trick really and once you've been hit by it a few times you'll start to wise up.
Gandal2007-01-18 22:49:28
Be warned - you can only select a specialization after graduating from novicehood (25 hours? 24 hours?)